[Politics] Sir Keir Starmer’s route to Number 10

[lawros left foot]

Hasn‘t Worthing got a Labour council now?

That’s why I said “until recently “.

 

[Sid and the Sharknados]

I would argue my vote has been worthless all my voting life. I’ve always lived in Worthing, a seat that until recently, you could put a blue rosette on the proverbial Donkey and it would get voted in.

Unlike,a marginal seat where my vote would always count.

But, these are the drawbacks of having a voting system (FPTP) which is not fit for purpose in a modern democracy. (Alright, I know we’re not a modern democracy, but, humour me)

If it makes you feel any better, the majority (normally a large majority) of votes in a marginal constituency don't make any difference either.

I realise that's unlikely to actually make you feel any better.

 

[vegster]

As a lifelong Labour supporter and voter( apart from Blair’s final election) I have now reached the very tough decision of not voting Labour, and I’m going Green.

I’m am a Socialist, I have bitten my tongue in the past and voted for people like Kinnock and Blair in the hope that if elected, they would shift to the left.

To be fair, Blair’s first term was acceptable, even if he didn’t go far enough, but
, I did feel he had a lot of talent in his Cabinet.

In all consciencenes, I simply cannot vote for Starmer and his right of centre party. He has broken every pledge he has made, to my mind, he became Party leader under false pretences.

To be a Socialist and vote Green in Worthing is a wasted vote.The country is in desperate need of a reset and only Labour can get a majority that can turn the tide. If somehow the Tories squeak home thanks to boundary changes, the torrent of anti Starmer/Labour media lies and brainwashed voters we might as well all book our trips to Dignitas now while we can.

Expect a lurch towards a bonfire of workers rights, The selling off of the NHS, and the abandonment of the Human Rights we have left....earnings and life expectantly have fallen over the last decade just as poverty, illness and Food Banks have increased, the next election is the last hope....we can't f*** it up.

 

[dazzer6666]

To be a Socialist and vote Green in Worthing is a wasted vote.The country is in desperate need of a reset and only Labour can get a majority that can turn the tide. If somehow the Tories squeak home thanks to boundary changes, the torrent of anti Starmer/Labour media lies and brainwashed voters we might as well all book our trips to Dignitas now while we can.

Expect a lurch towards a bonfire of workers rights, The selling off of the NHS, and the abandonment of the Human Rights we have left....earnings and life expectantly have fallen over the last decade just as poverty, illness and Food Banks have increased, the next election is the last hope....we can't f*** it up.

No chance the Tories will squeak home. They’re ****ed.

 

[vegster]

No chance the Tories will squeak home. They’re ****ed.

It will be a close run thing in both the Worthing seats though, there needs to be a concerted effort not to split the vote.

 

[aolstudios]

The first election I was old enough to vote was Thatchers annihilation of Callaghan in 79.
I voted Labour, because, even at the tender age of 20 I realised that the Tory’s didn’t represent a working class person like me.

I have consistently voted for a party I knew, realistically had no chance of winning. My vote has never, ever made one iotas worth of difference to the final outcome of any election, apart from the last couple of local council elections.
It does make me feel very sad that I can’t vote Labour again, under the present leadership.
I am of the opinion now, that there is so little difference between the two main parties that a vote for Labour will only continue the truly horrific policies of the present incumbents. I believe Starmer has admitted as much.

In the end, my beliefs have never changed, the Labour party’s have changed so much, I’m afraid, I no longer recognise them.

You seriously believe Labour would be as awful as the current shitshow?
They might not be exactly what you want them to be but you believe they'll be as cynical, as spiteful, as incompetent, as cronyist, as corrupt?
Seriously?

 

[aolstudios]

It might make you very sad but this post makes Tories extremely happy. If they can cut through with this ‘they are all the same’ narrative, there is still a chance they could stay in power.

Starmer is presenting a very small target at present. He comes across as the opposite of radical for a very good reason with his dullness and lack of Socialist headlines. But there are some people who have taken the time to read the policies behind the dull veneer….

Keir Starmer’s caution conceals a radical plan

The Labour leader has an ambitious programme for government, but does he have the skills to sell it to a weary electorate?

www.thetimes.co.uk

Well, exactly

 

[Wozza]

Doing great on TalkSport this morning.

Proper football fan and regular 5-a-side player.

Compare and contrast with...

 

[Hugo Rune]

Doing great on TalkSport this morning.

Proper football fan and regular 5-a-side player.

Compare and contrast with...

‘Lots of goals in a 1-1 draw’

‘That’s not lot’s of goals’

’Well it was’

Idiot.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

If it makes you feel any better, the majority (normally a large majority) of votes in a marginal constituency don't make any difference either.

I realise that's unlikely to actually make you feel any better.

I think that some people may need to have a sit down and think about how democracy works.

You get a vote, and that vote guarantees they you get the MP you want.

Oh, hang on, no, it doesn't guarantee anything.

Therefore it is a waste of time.

But, no, hang on, it isn't a waste of time.

You are but one tiny participant in a big process. You are not special. You don't have a divine right. You can either engage or sulk.

When I say 'you' I mean 'one'.

 

[Rdodge30]

Very long interview with Sir Keir in todays Times ….headed : “Sir Keir Starmer - My plans to fix a broken NHS”

I really am such a mug sometimes- I read the whole thing. Should’ve been titled anonymous politician gives endless sound bites with zero content

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Very long interview with Sir Keir in todays Times ….headed : “Sir Keir Starmer - My plans to fix a broken NHS”

I really am such a mug sometimes- I read the whole thing. Should’ve been titled anonymous politician gives endless sound bites with zero content

He would be a fool to give detail or show a cost assessment. That would allow Sunk and chums to spend the rest of the pre-election period doing fake extrapolations to show how it will never work, will bankrupt the country, will make things worse, and will drag the country back to the bad old days of endless strikes, power cuts, and mass uncontrolled immigration.

 

[Rdodge30]

He would be a fool to give detail or show a cost assessment. That would allow Sunk and chums to spend the rest of the pre-election period doing fake extrapolations to show how it will never work, will bankrupt the country, will make things worse, and will drag the country back to the bad old days of endless strikes, power cuts, and mass uncontrolled immigration.

We have been back and forth on this for quite some time now you have stuck to your guns and I have no doubt you believe that to be true. ( although a few months ago wasn’t it The Daily Mail not ‘Sunak and chums’? )

As the time draws nearer, we shall see what we shall see, I honestly believe that there is no plan but I admit you could be right.

I have always tried to imagine how political speeches would come across as one on one conversations and ANY politician who says: “you’re doing it wrong - I know how to do it right - but I’m not going to explain myself - just wait and see” Well I would find it hard to tolerate that kind of arrogance in a personal conversation so I haven’t got a lot of time for it in an interview.

‘Vote for us- we can’t possibly be worse’

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

We have been back and forth on this for quite some time now you have stuck to your guns and I have no doubt you believe that to be true. ( although a few months ago wasn’t it The Daily Mail not ‘Sunak and chums’? )

As the time draws nearer, we shall see what we shall see, I honestly believe that there is no plan but I admit you could be right.

I have always tried to imagine how political speeches would come across as one on one conversations and ANY politician who says: “you’re doing it wrong - I know how to do it right - but I’m not going to explain myself - just wait and see” Well I would find it hard to tolerate that kind of arrogance in a personal conversation so I haven’t got a lot of time for it in an interview.

‘Vote for us- we can’t possibly be worse’

Yes we have.

It may be that a Labour government is a bit m'eh. For me it is about getting back a bit of self-respect. Running a country is hard. I want to see an end to gimmicks, drift and people lining the pockets of their chums. Grown up politics.

And I accept that labour has a gobshite element. I think they are becoming marginalized. Some through being martyrs about Palestine. Palestinians feel safer every day that some no mark labour back bencher or councilor resigns. Not. Luckily these people are not running the party. Others are simply not getting front bench jobs.

I am confident Starmer has a plan, strategy and tactics. It may all be shit, of course.

Anyway, time will tell

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

He would be a fool to give detail or show a cost assessment. That would allow Sunk and chums to spend the rest of the pre-election period doing fake extrapolations to show how it will never work, will bankrupt the country, will make things worse, and will drag the country back to the bad old days of endless strikes, power cuts, and mass uncontrolled immigration.

Wes Streeting seems to be saying the right things that I think a large chunk of the country will agree with, money and reform, rather than just money.

I hope Labour are true to this and are given the space by the public to do it, its much overdue

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Wes Streeting seems to be saying the right things that I think a large chunk of the country will agree with, money and reform, rather than just money.

I hope Labour are true to this and are given the space by the public to do it, its much overdue

They won't be given a millimeter by the usual newspapers or the routed opposition. That said, the tories will find themselves in another leadership contest so we may be left in peace for a bit. Time Rees Mogg showed his 'qualities' and put himself forward. He won't though. Dilettante prick that he is.

 

[WATFORD zero]

We have been back and forth on this for quite some time now you have stuck to your guns and I have no doubt you believe that to be true. ( although a few months ago wasn’t it The Daily Mail not ‘Sunak and chums’? )

As the time draws nearer, we shall see what we shall see, I honestly believe that there is no plan but I admit you could be right.

I have always tried to imagine how political speeches would come across as one on one conversations and ANY politician who says: “you’re doing it wrong - I know how to do it right - but I’m not going to explain myself - just wait and see” Well I would find it hard to tolerate that kind of arrogance in a personal conversation so I haven’t got a lot of time for it in an interview.

‘Vote for us- we can’t possibly be worse’

My goodness, you're absolutely right. Well you've certainly convinced me that more of the well thought out plan(s) of Sunak/Truss/Johnson etc are the way ahead, you make such a persuasive case

 

[beorhthelm]

He would be a fool to give detail or show a cost assessment. That would allow Sunk and chums to spend the rest of the pre-election period doing fake extrapolations to show how it will never work, will bankrupt the country, will make things worse, and will drag the country back to the bad old days of endless strikes, power cuts, and mass uncontrolled immigration.

this is an overused excuse. it supposes the plans are poor and easily pulled apart. if they've done the numbers properly they stand up. if the policy is popular some of the media might even support them, they are in the businss of selling what people want.

interesting contrast the US presidential primary campaign. they come out with their policies over a year before the actual election, and arguing over them through the primaries is seen as battle testing them for the election proper. if Starmer plans to say reform NHS he's better to run it past the electorate early and gauge the response. if its not standing up now, its going to go down badly in the election too. truth is most the time politicans avoid saying too much policy in advance out of fear the other party will nick the idea or upsetting some of their existing support base.

 

[Rdodge30]

My goodness, you're absolutely right. Well you've certainly convinced me that more of the well thought out plan(s) of Sunak/Truss/Johnson etc are the way ahead, you make such a persuasive case

You’ve completely misunderstood my point and misrepresented my views there - I haven’t mentioned anything that you’ve suggested?? Are you on the sauce mate!

A criticism of Starmer doesn’t automatically equate to praise of the opposition.

 

[Sid and the Sharknados]

I think that some people may need to have a sit down and think about how democracy works.

You get a vote, and that vote guarantees they you get the MP you want.

Oh, hang on, no, it doesn't guarantee anything.

Therefore it is a waste of time.

But, no, hang on, it isn't a waste of time.

You are but one tiny participant in a big process. You are not special. You don't have a divine right. You can either engage or sulk.

When I say 'you' I mean 'one'.

Look, there's no getting away from the fact that FPTP is an incredibly inefficient system in terms of "wasted" votes i.e. the number of votes that are cast that have 0 influence over the outcome.

Now if the only alternative was some party list PR bullshit then I'd be inclined to suck that up, but there are systems that do a much better job of actually reflecting the vote while retaining named individual candidates and a link between the representatives and a relatively manageable constituency.

I might add, that there are limits to my sympathy with this sort of thing. If the party of your choice happens to fall short of 10% or something then you should piss off and convince more people to care about whatever obscure nonsense you've decided to dedicate your evenings to boring people about.