[Politics] Sir Keir Starmer’s route to Number 10

[jcdenton08]

You keep perpetrating this. Ed Miliband is the best PM we never had: look at their 2015 manifesto (or are you more interested in how he ate a bacon sandwich?). It's because of views like this that we've ended up with Brexit, Johnson, Truss, Gavin Williamson as Education Secretary, Failing Grayling, and longstanding Tories on here confessing that there's only one or two achievements of the past 13.5 years of government.

Did he win? No. Did Corbyn win? No. Why didn’t they win? Because the public didn’t like them. Will Starmer win? Yes. Because the public likes him - and Labour supporters strangely don’t. As if they are desperate to stay in opposition and wait for their leftist utopia.

The irony is all Labour have had to do for the last two elections was put up someone not actively off-putting to moderate centrists. They failed to do this and learnt nothing by going for Corbyn following Union-installed Miliband.

 

[rogersix]

Did he win? No. Did Corbyn win? No. Why didn’t they win? Because the public didn’t like them. Will Starmer win? Yes. Because the public likes him - and Labour supporters strangely don’t. As if they are desperate to stay in opposition and wait for their leftist utopia.

The irony is all Labour have had to do for the last two elections was put up someone not actively off-putting to moderate centrists. They failed to do this and learnt nothing by going for Corbyn following Union-installed Miliband.

a lot of us and them, there

 

[jcdenton08]

a lot of us and them, there

I’ve said a billion times I am voting for Starmer, not that it’s any of your business. Would I vote for a far left wing candidate like Corbyn? No. Did I vote Tory last time? No.

I am not a Labour supporter, or a Tory, or a Green, I vote for the party which at the time offers what I believe to be the best choice for the country, or if a strong local candidate is fielded, the constituency.

For example if Stephen Lloyd stood as Lib Dem or Independent in my constituency, I’d vote for that “party”.

I’m irritated with you that apparently in order to vote Labour next election I seem to have to become a die hard Labour supporter for life and agree with everything they’ve done in the past and will do in the future.

Your argument, and the fact you’ve said this shit to me every bloody time you reply, is really cretinous. I’d really prefer if you stopped it, because it’s fanatical Labour supporters like you which put off centrist, non-partisan swing voters like me.

 

[rogersix]

I’ve said a billion times I am voting for Starmer, not that it’s any of your business. Would I vote for a far left wing candidate like Corbyn? No. Did I vote Tory last time? No.

I am not a Labour supporter, or a Tory, or a Green, I vote for the party which at the time offers what I believe to be the best choice for the country, or if a strong local candidate is fielded, the constituency.

For example if Stephen Lloyd stood as Lib Dem or Independent in my constituency, I’d vote for that “party”.

I’m irritated with you that apparently in order to vote Labour next election I seem to have to become a die hard Labour supporter for life and agree with everything they’ve done in the past and will do in the future.

Your argument, and the fact you’ve said this shit to me every bloody time you reply, is really cretinous. I’d really prefer if you stopped it, because it’s fanatical Labour supporters like you which put off centrist, non-partisan swing voters like me.

yeah, but i vote lib-dem tho'! you're right wing, desperately telling yourself that you're centrist, it's not a difficult analysis, all you need do is, is look at your bias

 

[jcdenton08]

yeah, but i vote lib-dem tho'! you're right wing, desperately telling yourself that you're centrist, it's not a difficult analysis, all you need do is, is look at your bias

Okay yeah you’re right. I’m right wing. As I say, tiresome.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Okay yeah you’re right. I’m right wing. As I say, tiresome.

As a propper centrist. I think he may have a point

 

[rogersix]

Okay yeah you’re right. I’m right wing. As I say, tiresome.

that didn't hurt your ego too much then, brave soldier

and quite tedious for me!

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

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If you had bothered to check my previous post I had agreed that Corbyn was an absolute basket case (I’m being polite, the man is a weapons grade ****) but pointed out that other parties in the last 15 years have been equally bad. FWIW, I’ve never voted for either labour or the Tories …. Clegg was a disaster.

 

[jordanseagull]

The Nazi party, originally called National Socialists, didn’t start off as evil. It was step by very slow step in the 1920s, gradually getting the public to believe rampant inflation and poverty were deliberate actions. It fostered a blame culture, and divisions.
Look at the elements in Tufton Street, or Think Tanks as the media call them.

…with the end goal of genocide of factions within their own society and the mass murder of undesirables everywhere. Please. If you truly believed there were Nazi-esque factions within/influencing the ruling party of our parliament you’d be doing much more about it than making lazy and downright offensive comparisons on a football forum. I hope.

 

[jordanseagull]

The National Socialist German Workers' Party from their beginning in 1920 were explicitly antisemitic, promoted race theories/eugenics, were anti-liberal and sought a greater empire. Hitler spoke of “the Jewish Question”. By 1922 the first political/Jewish murders were undertaken.

But, Tufton Street.

 

[aolstudios]

That’s what everyone said after Labour’s thrashing in the last election..

Which shows what an astonishing job Starmer has done. The party was smashed to bits

 

[Thunder Bolt]

…with the end goal of genocide of factions within their own society and the mass murder of undesirables everywhere. Please. If you truly believed there were Nazi-esque factions within/influencing the ruling party of our parliament you’d be doing much more about it than making lazy and downright offensive comparisons on a football forum. I hope.

Calling disabled people who cannot work, non working units, or denying them welfare, now handily changed to benefits. The benefits system includes State pensions now, and old people weren’t protected although Hancock lied about it. Stanley Johnson has stated publicly he thinks the UK should only have a population of 30 million, and admits to being a eugenicist. Farage is being welcomed back into the fold, and already identified as a Nazi sympathiser.
If I have offended you, then I’m glad.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Oh, and I forgot Lee Anderson, associate of white supremacists.

 

[jordanseagull]

Calling disabled people who cannot work, non working units, or denying them welfare, now handily changed to benefits. The benefits system includes State pensions now, and old people weren’t protected although Hancock lied about it. Stanley Johnson has stated publicly he thinks the UK should only have a population of 30 million, and admits to being a eugenicist. Farage is being welcomed back into the fold, and already identified as a Nazi sympathiser.
If I have offended you, then I’m glad.

Well done you for being glad, gold star, but it’s not me your appalling comparisons are offensive towards. I’ve never even voted Tory or UKIP, or for Brexit, for that matter.

To talk about our terrible government’s shameful record on things like disability benefits in the same vein as Naziism is just absolutely wild. Pick up a book. I hope this is more recency bias than ignorance.

I’ll say it again, if Naziism is a true threat to the UK right now, what are you doing about it, because it’s a brutal threat to our and our children’s survival?

 

[Super Steve Earle]

I’ve said a billion times I am voting for Starmer, not that it’s any of your business. Would I vote for a far left wing candidate like Corbyn? No. Did I vote Tory last time? No.

I am not a Labour supporter, or a Tory, or a Green, I vote for the party which at the time offers what I believe to be the best choice for the country, or if a strong local candidate is fielded, the constituency.

For example if Stephen Lloyd stood as Lib Dem or Independent in my constituency, I’d vote for that “party”.

I’m irritated with you that apparently in order to vote Labour next election I seem to have to become a die hard Labour supporter for life and agree with everything they’ve done in the past and will do in the future.

Your argument, and the fact you’ve said this shit to me every bloody time you reply, is really cretinous. I’d really prefer if you stopped it, because it’s fanatical Labour supporters like you which put off centrist, non-partisan swing voters like me.

I'll pop my tin helmet on first, but your final sentence sums up my thoughts about many NSC posters. Quite irrationally, they make me want to vote Tory just to spite them, a comment which will doubtless provoke a torrent of bile in my direction.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

I'll pop my tin helmet on first, but your final sentence sums up my thoughts about many NSC posters. Quite irrationally, they make me want to vote Tory just to spite them, a comment which will doubtless provoke a torrent of bile in my direction.

Would have thought the lesson of the Brexit vote would have shown insults do not tend to go down well in getting people to vote.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I'll pop my tin helmet on first, but your final sentence sums up my thoughts about many NSC posters. Quite irrationally, they make me want to vote Tory just to spite them, a comment which will doubtless provoke a torrent of bile in my direction.

Nobody would know how you voted unless you bragged about it on Nsc.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Calling disabled people who cannot work, non working units, or denying them welfare, now handily changed to benefits. The benefits system includes State pensions now, and old people weren’t protected although Hancock lied about it. Stanley Johnson has stated publicly he thinks the UK should only have a population of 30 million, and admits to being a eugenicist. Farage is being welcomed back into the fold, and already identified as a Nazi sympathiser.
If I have offended you, then I’m glad.

Calling people Nazis, who clearly are not anywhere near the level of the evil the Nazi party oversaw is downplaying everything they did

Not only is it rubbish, it's offensive to those that died due to the actions of the Nazis.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Did he win? No. Did Corbyn win? No. Why didn’t they win? Because the public didn’t like them. Will Starmer win? Yes. Because the public likes him - and Labour supporters strangely don’t. As if they are desperate to stay in opposition and wait for their leftist utopia.

The irony is all Labour have had to do for the last two elections was put up someone not actively off-putting to moderate centrists. They failed to do this and learnt nothing by going for Corbyn following Union-installed Miliband.

Some Labour supporters don’t like Sir Keir Starmer. He’s had a clear out in his party of some extremists. That’s more likely to pick up some swing voters.
I am not a member of any political party (excepting the Seagulls Party in 2007), and have voted for all three main political candidates in my 50:years of elections.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Calling people Nazis, who clearly are not anywhere near the level of the evil the Nazi party oversaw is downplaying everything they did

Not only is it rubbish, it's offensive to those that died due to the actions of the Nazis.

Edit it was Sue Ellen, not Pretti Patel, just one example, has been confronted by a Holocaust survivor. She wasn’t offended by the comparison but by Patel’s words and actions.
Lord Alf Dubs, who was rescued by the Kinder Transport, stood up for Gary Lineker, when he said the government actions were similar to 1930s Germany.