aolstudios
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Repeating something a million times on every thread you can doesn't make it true mate.
You just hate Jews. Be man enough to say it in public
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[Politics] Sir Keir Starmer’s route to Number 10
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You just hate Jews. Be man enough to say it in public
Baldseagull
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Oh I see, it's not using the word ceasefire that makes him pro an Israeli genocide. Right, the issue with that is the semantics we have gotten into, where ceasefire meant Israel must stop all actions in Gaza, regardless of what Hamas are doing that day.Don't think the Mail is a key reason. He has been supportive of Israel and it's war crimes since the start. He is supportive of whatever Israel does as it's politically advantageous (aligns with US policy) and the Labour front bench and also a number of leading members including Starmer are in Labour Friends of Israel and receive funding from them.
Two-fifths of Keir Starmer’s cabinet have been funded by pro-Israel lobbyists
As Labour refuses to join calls for a ceasefire in Gaza, Declassified reveals the extent to which the shadow cabinet, including Starmer himself, has been financed by a pro-Israel lobby group and an individual funder.www.declassifieduk.org
That isn't reasonable.
It would be reasonable to ask all combatants to cease fighting, return hostages to their homes and start talking.
It would be reasonable to ask Israel to ensure safe passage for civilians, to allow aid for civilians, and to try and limit the destruction of civilians infrastructure.
In my opinion Israel is going way over the top, I wouldn't say genocide, but there seems to be a desire to displace Palestinains from the Northern part of Gaza, maybe ethnic cleansing. As a politician, you need to be much more careful with your language though, especially when you have a media willing you to slip up so they can crucify you.
The Brexit party's share of the vote at the 2019 election was just 4.9% , Labour's was 31%
Who is it that makes the town of Rochdale a "dung-hole"
The Clamp
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Leave voters, jobseekers, and single mothers. Obvs.
You dont need to listen to me.
Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, and Btselem (Israeli Human Rights group) say its Apartheid and Israel is has been taken to the ICJ by South Africa. There are very few sane people that argue that Israel is not in the least committing mass war crimes
Feel free to carry on though being ignorant and defending atrocities through spurious racism accusations.
I would expect all constituencies to have people that fall into those categories .
Baldseagull
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If it was accepted that apartheid and genocide was in action, you would have a fair point. It isn't, but neither are the allegations entirely baseless. The apartheid allegation is tricky because within Israel, it certainly is not true, however, the subjugation of the populations in the West Bank and Gaza is something worse than apartheid. There is some language being used by some in power in Israel, and actions being taken in Gaza that could point towards a genocide becoming a reality, but it seems more that there is too little restraint for fear of civillian deaths more than actual targetting of civillians.
There is a tendency by some of the very pro Israel to overstate antisemitism and call antisemitism over almost any criticism of Israel, but you seem to be at the other end of the spectrum and take anything Israel can be criticised for and overstate it.
The Clamp
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I expect you would.
Colonel Mustard
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But with notoriously apathetic turnouts for by-elections, that 20 or 30% is likely to have a disproportionate impact if they are feeling particularly engaged with this issue
Have not had the pleasure of visiting Rochdale myself and have no plans to do so therefore will just have to take your word for the town being a "dung-hole"
The Clamp
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You won’t regret this decision.
deletebeepbeepbeep
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Starmer and his cronies getting hoisted by their own peterd in relaiton to the I/P and antisemitism/islamophobia issue.
chip
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Seemed a decent set fans at Rochdale judging by a Tuesday night in 2001. Some of the MPS have been dodgy though, Cyril Smith child abuser for example.
de la zouch
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Do you mean wobble? If so I have and I’m fine thank you or thank yiu as you may write
Colonel Mustard
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There used to be a fantastic real ale pub called the Cemetery.
edited -- still there it seems.
Cemetery Hotel - Pub Heritage
pubheritage.camra.org.uk
ClemFandango
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Get the hostages released, then wipe out Hamas. The same way the Nazi high command had to be wiped out in WW2And what about Netanyahu's intent?
The paradox of Israel's pursuit of might | Max Hastings
Max Hastings: Forty years ago, I was enraptured by Israel's courageous sense of mission. For me today, as for many, that idealism has palledwww.theguardian.com
ClemFandango
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Stop blaming everything on the Mail! This is front page news in The Guardian too. Maybe Starmer actually really believes Israel has the right to defend itself from Hamas psychopaths.
I can unmute him if you feel a larger mob would be handy
chip
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I'm not a fan of Starmer but he seems a competent manager given the other choices. A bit like Major in 1992 up against a nurse loving Kinnock. I can't see how these two candidates could have been dealt with better, usually we don't hear these things until after someone has been elected. But, in both these cases, the candidates are only saying things that many people think. It's better out in the open and acknowledged.