[Politics] Sir Keir Starmer’s route to Number 10

[Is it PotG?]

and so? Why shouldn’t they pay it? If they were that short of money then rein in some of the vanity projects they invest in.

Excuse my ignorance, but which 'vanity' projects might these be?

 

[A mex eyecan]

Excuse my ignorance, but which 'vanity' projects might these be?

there are many. I have had business dealings with private sector over many many years. I won’t name specifics of projects but rest assured there are many cases.

But even that aside, i asked the question earlier as to why should they be able to not pay vat on heating and such like but little old granny in her cold flat does. What’s you’re thoughts on things such as that?

 

[Weststander]

Which shows how out of touch they are as I suspect many private school pupils these days aren't white middle class privilege

I lean towards your view overall, including the obsession over skin colour …. James O’Brien does that. But eg there are many highly paid and driven ethnic Chinese and Indian in the UK and US. This country broke down many walls after 1979, the old closed shops arranged so that only posh boys became architects, stockbrokers, solicitors or qualified accountants.

The class system that remains is still pervasive though. Go to Eton, Ampleforth or Harrow and you have a far greater chance of going to the very best uni’s in the world, earning £m’s, or making a good living in broadcasting or the arts. Closing small nurturing independent schools won’t alter that world.

 

[Is it PotG?]

there are many. I have had business dealings with private sector over many many years. I won’t name specifics of projects but rest assured there are many cases.

But even that aside, i asked the question earlier as to why should they be able to not pay vat on heating and such like but little old granny in her cold flat does. What’s you’re thoughts on things such as that?

First paragraph, vague non-answering.

Second, a little better, whataboutery.

What 'vanity' projects are the most relevant in this case?

 

[beorhthelm]

The more of those sharp elbowed parents that are forced into the State system the better it will be

such a peculiar argument, saying quality of state education depends on a certain type of parent. wouldnt that sort of parent send their kids to the "good" school, so others wouldn't benefit? Whitehawk Comprehensive is hardly going to have the same parents as Hove Community College.

wait, we've seen this tried in Brighton, with the city wide school placement lottery - did the quality of education and outcomes increase?

 

[A mex eyecan]

First paragraph, vague non-answering.

Second, a little better, whataboutery.

What 'vanity' projects are the most relevant in this case?

Its not non answering at all, but I’m not going to post confidential matters on a forum to satisfy you and your snide little comments.

Nothing to do with whataboutery at all. I’m just asking you your thoughts on a matter I asked earlier. Its more a case that you only want to answer or make remark on the buts that suit you.

Its not a case of any one project being particularly relevant in the case it’s an over arching principle.

 

[Is it PotG?]

Its not non answering at all, but I’m not going to post confidential matters on a forum to satisfy you and your snide little comments.

Nothing to do with whataboutery at all. I’m just asking you your thoughts on a matter I asked earlier. Its more a case that you only want to answer or make remark on the buts that suit you.

Its not a case of any one project being particularly relevant in the case it’s an over arching principle.

Well forgive my cynicism but there is more swervery in that than an MP on the rack.

 

[abc]

This is perhaps why @BLOCK F thinks he dislikes labour.

NOBODY on this thread has proposed banning private schools! So you are arguing against a made up argument.

I am a labour party member. I am all in favour of private schools.

But they are not charities (even if the tories have allowed them charitable status) and they should therefore pay tax.

totally agree

 

[A mex eyecan]

Well forgive my cynicism but there is more swervery in that than an MP on the rack.

oh whatever, grow up and understand why Im not going to put out details about specific establishments and their budgetary spends. If you don’t like that tough, you can be as cynical as makes you feel happy with yourself. If you can’t mange to get your head around that never mind.

 

[Is it PotG?]

oh whatever, grow up and understand why Im not going to put out details about specific establishments and their budgetary spends. If you don’t like that tough, you can be as cynical as makes you feel happy with yourself. If you can’t mange to get your head around that never mind.

Vacuous rhetoric then.

 

[A mex eyecan]

Vacuous rhetoric then.

I conclude you’re incapable of understanding confidentiality.

 

[beorhthelm]

This is perhaps why @BLOCK F thinks he dislikes labour.

NOBODY on this thread has proposed banning private schools! So you are arguing against a made up argument.

I am a labour party member. I am all in favour of private schools.

But they are not charities (even if the tories have allowed them charitable status) and they should therefore pay tax.

they are charities, and get a nice tax claim on fees. which is what was upsetting so many. but as i recall changing legislation for this is too difficult, would require some time, so they've plumped for this VAT change which can be done in a Budget and rolled out near immediatly.

 

[clapham_gull]

I don't think it's "spitefulness", it's just a quick win in getting cash in in an environment where the Tories have spent the last few years trashing the economy.

That said, it will only make private education more elite.

The Tories particularly under Johnson have smashed the country into pieces ideologically. When electric cars are considered "woke" and the trouble in the Middle East is now weaponised on UK right/left wing lines you can easily see the damage that populist fuckwit has done.

This makes things particularly difficult for any party in opposition. Starmer has to deal with that, on top of the looney fringe in his party. Particularly when celebrities such as Coogan and Owen are still crying about Corbyn.

Definitely needs to be braver and more radical, but radical also means pissing off those on the left who would prefer to protest rather than govern.

 

[Is it PotG?]

I conclude you’re incapable of understanding confidentiality.

Conclude what you want, the contract you signed 'A mex eyecan' will be binding and they'll be after you

 

[A mex eyecan]

Conclude what you want, the contract you signed 'A mex eyecan' will be binding and they'll be after you

Okay

 

[Beach Hut]

I don't think it's "spitefulness", it's just a quick win in getting cash in in an environment where the Tories have spent the last few years trashing the economy.

You must clearly have amnesia, labour left a note in the treasury draw advising there is no more money when they last left office, having trashed the economy

 

[clapham_gull]

Which shows how out of touch they are as I suspect many private school pupils these days aren't white middle class privilege

I'm pretty sure they know exactly who goes to private school. It's just a quick win and popular with the electorate as seen in the polls.

It also answers the question - how are you going to pay for that ?

On balance quite a smart policy because public mood has somewhat shifted against privately educated morons leading the country.

There is always collateral damage with any popular policy. One persons tax on private schools is another persons bedroom tax, You just need to ensure the winners are higher in number than the losers. That's how policy wins you elections and I'm struggling to see how this policy will lose them votes...

.. comrade.

 

[Beach Hut]

I'm pretty sure they know exactly who goes to private school. It's just a quick win and popular with the electorate as seen in the polls.

It also answers the question - how are you going to pay for that ?

On balance quite a smart policy because public mood has somewhat shifted against privately educated morons leading the country.

There is always collateral damage with any popular policy. One persons tax on private schools is another persons bedroom tax, You just need to ensure the winners are higher in number than the losers. That's how policy wins you elections and I'm struggling to see how this policy will lose them votes...

.. comrade.

Not prepared to admit Labour did exactly what Conservatives did to the economy, comrade?

 

[Weststander]

I'm pretty sure they know exactly who goes to private school. It's just a quick win and popular with the electorate as seen in the polls.

It also answers the question - how are you going to pay for that ?

On balance quite a smart policy because public mood has somewhat shifted against privately educated morons leading the country.

There is always collateral damage with any popular policy. One persons tax on private schools is another persons bedroom tax, You just need to ensure the winners are higher in number than the losers. That's how policy wins you elections and I'm struggling to see how this policy will lose them votes...

.. comrade.

That’s the electioneering and politics of it, but it’ll hurt a lot of people who I can tell you aren’t wealthy, posh or elitist.

You were spot on in your earlier post “That said, it will only make private education more elite”. A reduced pool with serious money will have access to the opportunities this country affords them.

It won’t lift up the state sector. That was the old argument in the 70’s. The VAT money itself is to be spent largely on the schools teeth cleaning programme.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Excuse my ignorance,

After 6+ years, I'm sure a few more weeks are neither here nor there