I had to click the link to see what picture the BBC used. Happy to see it was Chelsea v Spurs. I was worried they would use the same picture of Dunk whispering sweet nothings into Anthony Taylor’s ear the Guardian used. I think Dunk is getting a bit much overexposure for being (rightly) made an example of.
[Football] Sin bin trial...
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Uh_huh_him
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- Sep 28, 2011
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I suspect most coaches focus more on what to do when you lose a man, than from when you're a man up.
Maybe it will encourage coaches to work on ways to make a single man advantage count.
Its still a fairly rare scenario, but with sin bins it's likely to happen pretty frequently.
It will become an area of the game that warrants specific attention.
I don't expect it to benefit us too much, at first.
But I reckon De Zerbi would come up with something.
No thank you, can we just leave the game alone?
Beach Hut
Brighton Bhuna Boy
Surely prior to introducing anything else it would be better to ensure VAR consistently worked correctly
IFAB desperately trying to justify their existence …..
Easy 10
Brain dead MUG SHEEP
When I saw the thread title, I thought we were having a look at some kiddy from Saudi.
- Jun 27, 2012
- 14,614
I wrote this piece about SIn bins when they were trialled in grassroots a few years back for that When Saturday Comes
Also reminded me that Lewis Dunk has perhaps swore once or twice at the ref on a football pitch before.
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A Saturday lunchtime in November and the rain is falling hard in the Cardiff Stadium. Referee Martin Atkinson stands a few metres away as Brighton midfielder Dale Stephens dives into a second tackle, this time completely missing the ball. His captain; centre half Lewis Dunk on seeing Atkinson whistle and then reach for the inevitable red card, mouthes to the Sky viewers watching in close up, an obvious and very angry “F. OFF”. Atkinson doesn’t appear to notice , the commentators don’t consider it unusual enough to mention it, and the game just carries on. When broadcaster Jacqui Oatley shares the clip on Twitter a few days later asking, understandably, how this typical Premier League behaviour, looks to impressionable young fans and contrasts with the FA’s Respect programme, 10 years old this year, she inevitably gets a lot of “respect” back as replies into her feed.
On the same weekend, its the end of a under 16s league match in Sussex. One lad, after the ref has waved away his pleadings to give a foul, has just suggested loudly and heard by all of the 20 or so spectators huddled on a pitch near the South Downs, that he should’ve gone to “F..ing Specsavers”. The ref picks up a yellow card. marches the player off to the sidelines for dissent, reducing his team to 10 men. The coach shakes his head. Yet this is a temporary dismissal only. The player comes back on the pitch 8 minutes later and the game continues.
Starting last season, the FA have been trialling Sin Bins across multiple grassroots and youth leagues. Its been revised after initial experiments were deemed unsuccessful with the FA general secretary arguing “There was an impact on flow of game and willingness of players to commit to tackles.”
Now deliberately focusing on dissent, its been almost universally received with FA surveys showing dramatic falls in backchat and swearing and a desire amongst managers and players for it to continue. As the guidelines put it “The philosophy is that an ‘instant punishment’ can
have a significant and immediate positive influence on the behaviour of the offending player and, potentially, the
player’s team”. The trial although being extended slowly will become mandatory in all Step 7 leagues and below starting in 2019/20.
Good news for our Specsavers averse ref from Sussex then who looks after a variety of adult and youth games ?
“Yes. I have used it on numerous occasions. I’ve been doing this for 6 years now. When I walk on the pitch the players often see me as an old man who hasn't got a clue about football so I get it all. But I can't recall once where that player has come back on the pitch and continued to show dissent. It works.”
In Rugby there’s a similar story. Sin Bins were introduced in the Six Nations nearly a generation ago. Parent and Brighton fan; Max Cooter argues . “It works a treat with young players, they learn when they're about 9 that gobbing off gets you nowhere. In six years of watching my kids play. I’ve only seen one yellow card.”
Change is still hard though, and one grassroots ref I spoke to said he was refusing to adopt them; “I haven’t time for any more of that FA bollocks” he laughed although he then made valid points about the complexity of managing the timings and being able to document multiple dismissals whilst still concentrating on the game for his £22 fee. The FA’s head of referees, Neale Barry, is nonetheless more bullish about their roll out and said to Sky earlier this year said he was “almost certain” that it would be introduced by the FA in professional leagues in the future.
Later on in November, in a grassroots game in Ireland, Daniel Comber has just finished officiating a 3-1 victory for Mullingar Town v Horseleap. In the car park after the match, he’s approached, allegedly by 3 players and a fan, and assaulted. Comber suffered a broken jaw, stitches in his nose and a black eye. The story provoked widespread condemnation, several national news stories and the sharing of similar stories of attacks on refs up and down the country in grassroots football.
Our Specsavers ref isn’t surprised and says, as a matter of fact that he’d been assaulted by a linesman a few years ago. “It can be a very lonely experience out there, as a player you have 10 other people on the pitch watching your back, but as a referee you are on your own”
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Also reminded me that Lewis Dunk has perhaps swore once or twice at the ref on a football pitch before.
>>>>
A Saturday lunchtime in November and the rain is falling hard in the Cardiff Stadium. Referee Martin Atkinson stands a few metres away as Brighton midfielder Dale Stephens dives into a second tackle, this time completely missing the ball. His captain; centre half Lewis Dunk on seeing Atkinson whistle and then reach for the inevitable red card, mouthes to the Sky viewers watching in close up, an obvious and very angry “F. OFF”. Atkinson doesn’t appear to notice , the commentators don’t consider it unusual enough to mention it, and the game just carries on. When broadcaster Jacqui Oatley shares the clip on Twitter a few days later asking, understandably, how this typical Premier League behaviour, looks to impressionable young fans and contrasts with the FA’s Respect programme, 10 years old this year, she inevitably gets a lot of “respect” back as replies into her feed.
On the same weekend, its the end of a under 16s league match in Sussex. One lad, after the ref has waved away his pleadings to give a foul, has just suggested loudly and heard by all of the 20 or so spectators huddled on a pitch near the South Downs, that he should’ve gone to “F..ing Specsavers”. The ref picks up a yellow card. marches the player off to the sidelines for dissent, reducing his team to 10 men. The coach shakes his head. Yet this is a temporary dismissal only. The player comes back on the pitch 8 minutes later and the game continues.
Starting last season, the FA have been trialling Sin Bins across multiple grassroots and youth leagues. Its been revised after initial experiments were deemed unsuccessful with the FA general secretary arguing “There was an impact on flow of game and willingness of players to commit to tackles.”
Now deliberately focusing on dissent, its been almost universally received with FA surveys showing dramatic falls in backchat and swearing and a desire amongst managers and players for it to continue. As the guidelines put it “The philosophy is that an ‘instant punishment’ can
have a significant and immediate positive influence on the behaviour of the offending player and, potentially, the
player’s team”. The trial although being extended slowly will become mandatory in all Step 7 leagues and below starting in 2019/20.
Good news for our Specsavers averse ref from Sussex then who looks after a variety of adult and youth games ?
“Yes. I have used it on numerous occasions. I’ve been doing this for 6 years now. When I walk on the pitch the players often see me as an old man who hasn't got a clue about football so I get it all. But I can't recall once where that player has come back on the pitch and continued to show dissent. It works.”
In Rugby there’s a similar story. Sin Bins were introduced in the Six Nations nearly a generation ago. Parent and Brighton fan; Max Cooter argues . “It works a treat with young players, they learn when they're about 9 that gobbing off gets you nowhere. In six years of watching my kids play. I’ve only seen one yellow card.”
Change is still hard though, and one grassroots ref I spoke to said he was refusing to adopt them; “I haven’t time for any more of that FA bollocks” he laughed although he then made valid points about the complexity of managing the timings and being able to document multiple dismissals whilst still concentrating on the game for his £22 fee. The FA’s head of referees, Neale Barry, is nonetheless more bullish about their roll out and said to Sky earlier this year said he was “almost certain” that it would be introduced by the FA in professional leagues in the future.
Later on in November, in a grassroots game in Ireland, Daniel Comber has just finished officiating a 3-1 victory for Mullingar Town v Horseleap. In the car park after the match, he’s approached, allegedly by 3 players and a fan, and assaulted. Comber suffered a broken jaw, stitches in his nose and a black eye. The story provoked widespread condemnation, several national news stories and the sharing of similar stories of attacks on refs up and down the country in grassroots football.
Our Specsavers ref isn’t surprised and says, as a matter of fact that he’d been assaulted by a linesman a few years ago. “It can be a very lonely experience out there, as a player you have 10 other people on the pitch watching your back, but as a referee you are on your own”
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dejavuatbtn
Well-known member
The cynic in me says that this will be a cop out for refs - sin bin rather than a sending off.
As others have said, not sure if ten minutes is long enough for some of the dreadful challenges we have seen, cheating etc. I would hope that anyone who gets binned also gets a yellow.
As others have said, not sure if ten minutes is long enough for some of the dreadful challenges we have seen, cheating etc. I would hope that anyone who gets binned also gets a yellow.
Mancgull
Well-known member
My wish for a change in the rules would be a retrospective one game ban for any player who is classed as feigning a head injury to stop the game. It would need recorded evidence that the player didn’t take contact on the head but would hopefully eradicate the feigning of head injuries.
It’s just wrong that players and managers use this technique to stop play when the rule was brought in to protect players.
( yes, Silva and Emery, I’m thinking of you when I say this as Fulham and Villa are the worse culprits.
Bit cheeky really as they caption it "Players surround referee Anthony Taylor after Lewis Dunk’s red card for Brighton on Saturday." Whereas in fact - they are all in front od of him, not surrounding him. There is only Dunk and Van Hecke from Brighton - which is understandable - as the captain is no longer the captain, so can't be the captain who questions the ref (and other clips show JPVH was asking 'what for' - which Taylor calmly answered. The other was a Forest player.
Seasider78
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- Nov 14, 2004
- 6,011
Great another rule that can be applied inconsistently from match to match to give us even more to be raging about
Nah not for me thanks
Nah not for me thanks
I like it in rugby
.. it's a REAL punishment during the gameI'm for it. Simple to understand and police. I'd make it 10 mins of ball-in-play time... to avoid the timewasting
Yes to clock stopping
. Sin bin for 10 min ball-in-play time would be nice!
Dorset Seagull
Once Dolphin, Now Seagull
How will it affect potential injuries as players cool down and then get thrust back into the action? Is that an issue in Rugby when the sin bin is used?
Swimboy64
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- Oct 19, 2022
- 490
I really like the idea of that
- May 8, 2018
- 10,626
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“Absolutely Star-bin”
Get closer to the action than ever before with an exclusive seat in the official home sin bin. Pre game relax in plastic paradise whilst random small plates are delivered in authentic plastic sacks.
Shortly before kick off you will be the envy of everybody and star of the Tunnel Club, as you are literally wheeled out via the players tunnel adjacent to the home dug out in your exclusive club bin. Mock mattress will be supplied pre
Kick off to fend off some light hearted imitation refuge luzzing courtesy of Richie Reynolds, Gully and the team before the start of the big match.
A selection of food and beverage will continue to be luzzed towards you during proceedings with the very real chance you will be joined for a short time by a member of the match day squad*
* Luzzing cannot be guaranteed whilst the bin is occupied by club employees.
Johnny RoastBeef
These aren't the players you're looking for.
- Jan 11, 2016
- 3,471
People worried that any team down to 10 men will just fake injuries are forgetting that injured players are held back for 30 seconds before returning to the pitch after receiving treatment.
The threat of being down to nine men for even as little as 30 seconds should be enough to deter most teams, excluding Villa, Brentford and Newcastle.
The threat of being down to nine men for even as little as 30 seconds should be enough to deter most teams, excluding Villa, Brentford and Newcastle.
portslade seagull
Well-known member
So if the said player sin binned then comes back onto the field commits another foul or dissent is that a Red ?
Kosh
'The' Yaztromo
No, it’ll add more time to the already ridiculous amounts of ‘injury’ time being played, whilst players argue, take ages to walk off, fanny about etc.
It’ll break the game up even more than VAR is already doing, in no way in this a good idea… it’s in actuality an absolutely shocking idea given the current mucking about already ruining the game.
Arghhhhhh we need to stop fixing something that wasn’t, until recently, that broken :/
It’ll break the game up even more than VAR is already doing, in no way in this a good idea… it’s in actuality an absolutely shocking idea given the current mucking about already ruining the game.
Arghhhhhh we need to stop fixing something that wasn’t, until recently, that broken :/