If 12-year-olds are screaming those words while using elbows etc. you shouldn't be mad at the ref - the ref should be mad at the parents, because they've really done a shit job in that case.
Got something to say or just want fewer pesky ads? Join us... 😊
[Albion] Silent Support Weekend
- Thread starter crodonilson
- Start date
I did not explain clearly enough - all my fault guys. We do keep it together, we are by far one of the best sets of parents that watch our games. One of the lads in our club was taken to A&E in a parent's car after being wiped out...it was a Sunday afternoon and the ambulance would have taken too long. The lad was in agony.
I did not say we confront the ref - the ref should speak to the coach of the team's that do it (there are a number in our area, just a sad fact I'm afraid) and can and should (but never do) put the lad in the sin bin for 10 minutes. At our age group (U13) the sin bin is the equivalent of a yellow card. Yes, some of the parents and coaches do not do a great job.
Bold Seagull
strong and stable with me, or...
What league is that? I've coached in Mid Sussex leagues, my son plays in Sussex Sunday U13, and I have refereed a fair few games myself, and I've rarely found it's the players causing any problems, and quite rare to see a really bad challenge that isn't just a miss timed attempt at the ball.
Most of the time it is parents and coaches that cause all the issues. Refereeing I've been in the middle and felt a rising febrile atmosphere and rising tension from the sidelines that really is projected out onto the pitch - you can sense some kids feel the need to act or put a challenge in because of that.
I would say with some conviction it is 99% the adults involved in kids football that cause the issues, rarely is it the kids or referees.
Mug. You have just been reeled in by a Crodo thread.
The campaign is to clap at kid's football (rather than squark) as a reaction to all the 'f***ing get stuck in!' bollocks from arsehole parents living out their football manager fantasies through their kids.
I have to hand it to you Crodo. You have triggered absolutely everyone who hasn't been keeping up with the news lately. I salute your indefatigabilityParents asked to support games silently
A good initiative and a healthy debate this morning on Good Morning Britain about the merits of this. One parent from Buckinghamshire said the club their team plays for will be advocating the use of jazz hands to show support for the players and any goals scored.
First of all, thank you (sincerely) for coaching and reffing, because we know there wouldn't be any grass roots footie without that
, and it's great to hear that the players rarely cause any problems in your region.We are further West (about 100 miles from Sussex). I'm afraid that in some of our games (about 30%) there is a heck of a lot of elbows, pushing, f word c word ...mainly by our opponents. Our team is well coached, and if any of our players played like that our coach simply wouldn't select them. One of our lads last season actually gave up playing because an opponent (this was U12) called him a 'C***', zero provocation from our lad. It hurts.
When i said we can 'get edgy and mouthy' we do that within our parent group (I didn't explain that with my first post) - we're a decent bunch - we'll say to each other 'oh for goodness sake' etc if something upsets us. Maybe we say it too loudly so outsiders hear (I hope not). We never confront anybody.
It's interesting what you say about the possibility of a febrile atmosphere on the sidelines transmitting to the kids and perhaps making them play more aggressively. This FA experiment should help if that's the case.
- Jun 27, 2012
- 14,636
Its really difficult to find refs for grassroots youth football, let alone paid or volunteer mentors. The money to pay them is limited (expenses pretty much) and most of the adults don't want the grief so you're left with a limited group to choose from. Parents are wary of letting their teenagers be trained up for the same reason but there are still some brilliant volunteers and kids out there. Of course some refs are inexperienced and of course some kid players either behave wrongly or are over physical. But - certainly from my 10 years or so now coaching and being part of a youth football club - the issues with refs and parents and coaches needs urgent tackling.
The FA do some good things here - respect lines, training, funding, campaigns and marketing and this is a good stunt (i think its been trialled in a few places successfully as well). We'll see how it goes.
On other hand the Premier League / Football League often doesn't do grassroots any favours. Klopp being the latest example of a manager being lauded for his "passion" screaming at an assistant ref when a decision didn't go his way the other week. On the same weekend that the Merseyside Youth Leagues had suspended all fixtures as a protest against referee abuse.
- Jun 27, 2012
- 14,636
The Sussex FA and most clubs actually have a really good welfare set up with clear guidelines about how to report things to. You don't have to resolve this issues by yourselves either as parents or as inexperienced coaches. Its a shame that that player didn't know who to go to for support or help for this abuse/behaviour which is unacceptable in any kids football match and is now lost to football. https://www.sussexfa.com/about/rules-and-regulations/safeguarding-and-welfare
I agree with all that, thanks
As a parent and coach of 6 and 8 year olds, I think this is total nonsense. As does every other parent and coach I’ve spoken to. At young ages they need direction. We’ve told the kids and they’re not looking forward to it either.
Prepare for a lot of lost looking little boys and girls on the pitches of the country this weekend.
Prepare for a lot of lost looking little boys and girls on the pitches of the country this weekend.
Many thanks for the link - I'll give it a read and ask our coach if we followed up on anything within our county FA for the issue with our player
I’ve seen 14 year old refs try to ‘speak to’ adult coaches and completely understand as a result why they might not want to.
The 6 and 8 year olds are not looking forward to play football because they'll miss the instructions and directions?
pure_white
Well-known member
- Dec 8, 2021
- 1,216
Sin bins are only for dissentGood idea, I'm looking forward to my son's U13 match this Sunday.
Without derailing the thread, a lot of our parent frustration comes from having some poor refs (sound familiar?!). I know, we are lucky to have them, and some are still within their 5 or 6 game run to qualify. When someone's son is wiped out by an opponent (these teams are normally coached that way too) and the opponent is not sin binned for (10 mins ) , sometimes even no foul is given, we do worry a tad how long an ambulance would take on a Sunday afternoon...and consequently get edgy and mouthy. It shouldn't all be about the parents behaviour, IMO.
Bold Seagull
strong and stable with me, or...
Direction from their coach - not parents stood on touchlines. I can’t believe any coach you know is happy with parents giving instructions to the kids from the sidelines?
Weststander
Well-known member
Do those officials ‘bottle it’ because of violent/aggressive parents or coaches with those other teams, do you think?Good idea, I'm looking forward to my son's U13 match this Sunday.
Without derailing the thread, a lot of our parent frustration comes from having some poor refs (sound familiar?!). I know, we are lucky to have them, and some are still within their 5 or 6 game run to qualify. When someone's son is wiped out by an opponent (these teams are normally coached that way too
pure_white
Well-known member
- Dec 8, 2021
- 1,216
A mate sat in think mustbe family section against Chelsea said there was plenty silent support. Reading else where maybe Chelsea fans? Then complete opposite kids that jump up and down like theyare on a trampoline all game. He got a ticket there as he has an injury and crutch and didnt wannastand all game. Seems some parents cant control kids.
Bold Seagull
strong and stable with me, or...
Maybe lay off the late night herb vaping?
Yep. And I 100% agree it’s normally the adults at fault.
I coached for two years and carried on running the line after that. Our club had mostly decent parents, but there were always a few who knew better than the coach and volunteers but wouldn’t commit any of their own time up. It really used to boil my piss. But we had some absolute clowns among visiting parents and coaches.
The worst one was when I was running the line and the ref was about 14 as you say. The ball was heading for the sideline but stopped in play. One of their players ran to it and I told him it was still in and play on. He picked it up and threw it in without a throw being given and the ref blew for handball.
The opposition coach was on the opposite line but screamed “you’re f***ing joking ref”. At half time he came on to the pitch to confront me and the ref - accompanied by the players relative. Who was driving a mobility scooter!
That should have been the time he was telling the young lad quietly about the “whole of the ball, whole of the line” rule and playing to the whistle before encouraging him for the second half.
If this weekend stops incidents like that then I’m all for it.
BTW I couldn’t possibly say what club they were from but there’s an Eazy E bench in the town centre