Should we blame the BBC? (Sorry if fixtures)

[Tooting Gull]

One thing that occurs to me is the impact all this negative publicity will have on FIFA's ability to generate sponsorship. Surely some companies are going to be a bit wary of putting their name to events organised by a corrupt organisation. For that reason I think it's important that the BBC and ST follow through with their investigations and prove their cases. What would really piss me off would be if they now decided that the vote is over - it's yesterday's news!

Excellent points. A McDonalds saying they won't renew would make them sit up far more than anything England have to say. It's all they understand.

And I totally agree with you about Panorama and the press. They almost have a duty now to finish the job off.

 

[Wozza]

Excellent points. A McDonalds saying they won't renew would make them sit up far more than anything England have to say. It's all they understand.

I doubt Fifa make decisions like this without consulting with major sponsors first...

 

[Gwylan]

I doubt Fifa make decisions like this without consulting with major sponsors first...

Quite.

American multinationals would have no qualms about doing deals with dodgy organisations or states. There are plenty of McDs in Russia.

 

[Tooting Gull]

I doubt Fifa make decisions like this without consulting with major sponsors first...

Possibly not, but the point is about perception. It doesn't matter how many McDs there are currently in Russia. If the reaction to this vote is that Fifa is totally corrupt and those running it represent none of the values it espouses, there will be a tipping point where you don't want to be associated with the whole thing.

I'm not saying that has happened, and it may well not, but that is why sponsors pull out of anything.

 

[El Presidente]

Indeed. Morally wrong, but if countries let you get away with it, then why not.

I wonder what legacy you would promise the country afterwards though if they did make your income tax free??!!

The people who criticise FIFA for exploitation of their 'charitable' status and therefore exemption from tax are also the ones who defend Lewis Hamilton's choice to run away to Switzerland and avoid paying tax back in the UK, which appears to be an inconsistency.

 

[Icy Gull]

I haven't read the whole thread but I hope Thatcher has copped the blame somewhere in this thread?

 

[Icy Gull]

The people who criticise FIFA for exploitation of their 'charitable' status and therefore exemption from tax are also the ones who defend Lewis Hamilton's choice to run away to Switzerland and avoid paying tax back in the UK, which appears to be an inconsistency.

I have no time for FIFA but loads of time for Hamilton who is rather good at what he does and I don't have any green eye for him earning loads of dosh and keeping it. At least he entertains rather than irritates me

 

[Biscuit]

I haven't read the whole thread but I hope Thatcher has copped the blame somewhere in this thread?

I blamed her for the snow last week, could probably work her into this fine mess as well?

 

[Barrel of Fun]

The people who criticise FIFA for exploitation of their 'charitable' status and therefore exemption from tax are also the ones who defend Lewis Hamilton's choice to run away to Switzerland and avoid paying tax back in the UK, which appears to be an inconsistency.

All of them?

 

[The Large One]

Why is it wrong? If I could persuade a government to make my income tax free I would be more than happy.

It may not be wrong to ask the incumbent government for a whole host of tax breaks.

It would definitely be wrong for that government to grant them.

 

[Tooting Gull]

I think there are a lot of people who work for charities who will be quite amused that the likes of Sepp Blatter and Jack Warner claim to be working for one. Those five-course lunches, get them all the time at Oxfam...

As far as Hamilton and his ilk go, I think it is a very poor reason to leave your country. It's not like he's even gone there to work. Presumably you are pretty well off for the issue to even be relevant, and to decide not to put something back via taxation once you are on big money to public services, health and education which presumably these people benefited from at a young age, just seems a a bit grabbing and grubby to me.

 

[nwgull]

A boycott of FIFA's sponsors may have an effect if it was supported. I never eat McD's anyway and certainly will have no problem boycotting budweiser, coz it's piss!

 

[Simster]

As far as Hamilton and his ilk go, I think it is a very poor reason to leave your country. It's not like he's even gone there to work. Presumably you are pretty well off for the issue to even be relevant, and to decide not to put something back via taxation once you are on big money to public services, health and education which presumably these people benefited from at a young age, just seems a a bit grabbing and grubby to me.

Totally agree.

I have no time for FIFA but loads of time for Hamilton who is rather good at what he does and I don't have any green eye for him earning loads of dosh and keeping it. At least he entertains rather than irritates me

Yes, but why? It's grubby tax avoidance when he could be putting money back into the country that brought him up. As far as I'm concerned, it's absolutely shameful on Hamilton's part. Say what you like about Wayne Rooney, at least he pays taxes on his obscene wealth.

 

[Icy Gull]

IAs far as Hamilton and his ilk go, I think it is a very poor reason to leave your country. It's not like he's even gone there to work. .

It's not like he races in England more than once a year either. He lives abroad and works abroad 95% of the time but people like you and El Pres want him to pay half his money into the British system?? I assume his parents and he did pay taxes etc until he moved abroad so I really don't see the problem.

 

[Tooting Gull]

It's not like he races in England more than once a year either. He lives abroad and works abroad 95% of the time but people like you and El Pres want him to pay half his money into the British system?? I assume his parents and he did pay taxes etc until he moved abroad so I really don't see the problem.

We are focusing on Hamilton when it is a general point, and I don't think we'll agree on this anyway. But you seem to be suggesting that he has every bit as strong ties to Switzerland as England. Is that a serious point? He was born here, grew up here, has family/roots here, and works/tests here (there is a McLaren HQ in Woking between races and out of season). He is English.

 

[Icy Gull]

We are focusing on Hamilton when it is a general point, and I don't think we'll agree on this anyway. But you seem to be suggesting that he has every bit as strong ties to Switzerland as England. Is that a serious point? He was born here, grew up here, has family/roots here, and works/tests here (there is a McLaren HQ in Woking between races and out of season). He is English.

Nope it's more to do with him choosing not to pay millions in tax so moving abroad, which he then gets catigated for even though he doesn't work in England. Not sure you can test in F1 anymore tbh and those tests that there are tend to be abroad too.

Anyway, I'm taking this thread way off topic..sorry.

 

[Guy Fawkes]

A very good mate of mine and a person who knows both his football and what life is all about, phoned me within seconds of the decision and simply said.

"f***ing Panorama!"

Is it all too easy to blame it on that one programme or did we just lose out to the better bid?

I haven't read through the rest of the thread yet but i don't think panorama had anything to do with.

A big reason was that we are too successful in our league football, the grounds are too good and as a result there is no real benefit to improving the populatity of or improving the facilities in this country by having a tournament here.

Thats why the last World cup was in South Africa and the next two are in Russia and Qatar - Its all about enhancing the game worldwide and the legacy left rather than who could probably do the best job.

That said, the trouble at the Birmingham / Villa game and the Panorama programme didn't help but i believe we weren't going to win even without these things happening

 

[Icy Gull]

Totally agree.

. Say what you like about Wayne Rooney, at least he pays taxes on his obscene wealth.

Plys his trade here as well, if he played for Real Madrid would you expect him to mail some money back to the UK government?

 

[Sheebo]

Judging by several comments from various candidates they suggest it was indeed the media. Cover up for corruption or not I still wonder why some on this thread don't put any blame on the media and seem to accept their depressinlgy unpatriotic ways. Says a lot really.

Japan's Fifa executive committee member has told the BBC that England's World Cup bid humiliation may have been a result of a backlash against the British media.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Judging by several comments from various candidates they suggest it was indeed the media. Cover up for corruption or not I still wonder why some on this thread don't put any blame on the media and seem to accept their depressinlgy unpatriotic ways. Says a lot really.

Japan's Fifa executive committee member has told the BBC that England's World Cup bid humiliation may have been a result of a backlash against the British media.

Errr ..... because it's not unpatriotic to root out corruption and scum bag criminals in FIFA. How far do you bow down to that corruption to get a world cup before you say enough is enough ?