Should the voting age be raised?

[Randsta]

No but their should be a upper limit far too many bigots voting!

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

The majority of people vote to benefit themselves. Tory and Labour so in that regard they are all selfish votes. The difference being that Tory Voters are less likely to be people from the more vulnerable parts of Society. Not all I grant you but for the most part they are.

For instance, how many disabled or unemployed will have been voting Tory ?

I know loads of people who personally would benefit financially from a Conservative government who vote in other ways.

 

[larus]

I know loads of people who personally would benefit financially from a Conservative government who vote in other ways.

And others who will vote Tory who won't be better off voting that way. Works both ways and if you think about it logically, if the Tories are for the elite (max 5%), why do they get 40%+ of the voters?

 

[The Antikythera Mechanism]

My mistake. Thought you were saying that those that voted labour were those that don't contribute and want something for nothing.

That would demonstrably be a ridiculous thing to say. As would saying that free education would bankrupt the country. What a daft statement that would be.

Glad that wasn't what you were saying.

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No, I wasn't saying that at all. What I was saying was that if a political party advocates policies that mean you get something for nothing, although someone else has to pay for it, like tuition fees, it's a vote winner, in the short term. Free education to A level standard is everyone's right, if they're prepared to take advantage of it. University education is "Further education" and isn't the the responsibility of the state, why should it be? If parents want their "children" to go to university, this is a supplement to state education and they should help pay for it along with their adult "children". Education has been dumbed down as many degrees are the present day equivalent of 5 GCSE's, which used to be the benchmark of getting a job.

 

[Horses Arse]

No, I wasn't saying that at all. What I was saying was that if a political party advocates policies that mean you get something for nothing, although someone else has to pay for it, like tuition fees, it's a vote winner, in the short term. Free education to A level standard is everyone's right, if they're prepared to take advantage of it. University education is "Further education" and isn't the the responsibility of the state, why should it be? If parents want their "children" to go to university, this is a supplement to state education and they should help pay for it along with their adult "children". Education has been dumbed down as many degrees are the present day equivalent of 5 GCSE's, which used to be the benchmark of getting a job.

Free education is a winner all round. Problem is some people are too stupid to realise that. Education for all in various forms to suit all. Well worth paying for.

I'd vote that in..............oh I couldnt could I ?

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[hoveboyslim]

No, I wasn't saying that at all. What I was saying was that if a political party advocates policies that mean you get something for nothing, although someone else has to pay for it, like tuition fees, it's a vote winner, in the short term. Free education to A level standard is everyone's right, if they're prepared to take advantage of it. University education is "Further education" and isn't the the responsibility of the state, why should it be? If parents want their "children" to go to university, this is a supplement to state education and they should help pay for it along with their adult "children". Education has been dumbed down as many degrees are the present day equivalent of 5 GCSE's, which used to be the benchmark of getting a job.

What evidence do you have that many degrees are the present day equivalent of 5 GCSEs?

 

[The Antikythera Mechanism]

Free education is a winner all round. Problem is some people are too stupid to realise that. Education for all in various forms to suit all. Well worth paying for.



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The problem is, it isn't all free is it? Someone has to pay for University education. State education to A-Level standard should be sufficient to secure a job.

 

[NooBHA]

And others who will vote Tory who won't be better off voting that way. Works both ways and if you think about it logically, if the Tories are for the elite (max 5%), why do they get 40%+ of the voters?

You seem to have attributed posts to me that were not posted by me

 

[Horses Arse]

The problem is, it isn't all free is it? Someone has to pay for University education. State education to A-Level standard should be sufficient to secure a job.

Yep it costs. The thing is that it also adds to society and adds commercially.

Lowest cost tenders drive down quality. Lowest cost society achieves the same and ironically this ends up costing us more. If employment was valued as much as margin and short term profit years ago we wouldn't have generated the sponging society that I agree we now have. that is not a socialist creation, it is a capitalist creation. A result of free market enterprise and believing that casualties such as massive unemployment was acceptable. It isn't. We need to redress the balance and cull the sponging low life culture that has proliferated by educating people and providing chance, hope and opportunity. Not by forcing them to foodbanks and rough living.

Education is not just about universities, it is apprenticeships, supporting training via businesses and the arts. If we want to improve our society we need education and healthcare. If not we just descend into haves and have nots and gated secure enclaves. I'll be fine. I have enough for me and for my children but I desperately want them to thrive in a positive society. Not the one that the Tories, UKIP etc strive for.

 

[darkwolf666]

But then YOU wouldn't be able to vote.... sorry couldn't resist

You calling me a pussy

 

[peterward]

Great manifesto from Corbyn that appeals to those that want something for nothing, as long as someone else pays for it. The truth is, metaphorically speaking, that in years to come, when borrowing has bankrupted the economy, to pay for these vote catching policies, it will be the youngsters who voted him in who will end up paying the massive tax burden necessary to reduce the deficit. There's no such thing as a free lunch.

100% spot on. Who honestly thinks anything Corbyn proposed for students or the NHS or police or public sector pay is bad? Nobody would, except for the fact that he can't do so without trashing the economy again with a trillion pound borrowing binge. We already today spend more as a country than we make and thus a deficit, we already spend more in interest payments on our national debt than we do on education. And yet borrowing like crazy is cheered as anti austerity. Let's say he had got in, he'd borrow at insane levels, raise taxes, stifling the economy.

He'd then throw money today at all these things like students and police etc which would see a short term present benefit to those in receipt, but now the national debt and deficit doubles.... So what's the plan? When does it stop, or does it continue until bankruptcy ensues? You or I can't spend 4 times what we earn yet many think Corbyn can somehow? Sooner or later, taxes are raised on everyone, the credit rating is downgraded and borrowing/servicing debt is more expensive and labour champion their "investment " in public services, along come the nasty Torys to end the fiscal madness and it's all "cuts" to public services. When will people learn, you can only pay for from that which you earn.

A strong economy is the platform for long term investment in services, trashing the economy is the best way to provide a short term hit followed by years of pain and cuts. Nobody can or will ever find a genuine way to deliver Corbyn like spending plans without massive borrowing and cuts in the future, unless of course we can quadruple our national income. It's fantasy.

 

[LlcoolJ]

Funny that people think they/others are "voting selfishly" when they vote Conservative.

Unless you're in the top 1%, you're not voting selfishly.

 

[Surrey Phil]

You calling me a pussy

Yes he is!!!

 

[Surrey Phil]

With the labour Party getting the kids vote and clearly changing the political map.

Do you feel that at 18 years old have any experience in life to vote in politics?

A lot of these voters could just have been 11 years old when Labour were in power before, should they be allowed to vote

What a complete disgrace you are suggesting such a thing.

I was gullible at 18 years old if someone promises you the earth, you believe it, you don't understand how they get the earth to you and probably don't care.

This is not meant to be an attack at the youth but you guys have a long time on this planet and in life you will be learning a lot.

Sounds harsh..................but fair.

What a complete & utter disgrace you are for suggesting such a thing. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Can't we just ban all Londoners & Northerners from voting? Harsh but fair!!

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

You seem to have attributed posts to me that were not posted by me

Sorry. Don't know what happened there. Nothing I was doing intentionally if it was me.

 

[Horses Arse]

100% spot on. Who honestly thinks anything Corbyn proposed for students or the NHS or police or public sector pay is bad? Nobody would, except for the fact that he can't do so without trashing the economy again with a trillion pound borrowing binge. We already today spend more as a country than we make and thus a deficit, we already spend more in interest payments on our national debt than we do on education. And yet borrowing like crazy is cheered as anti austerity. Let's say he had got in, he'd borrow at insane levels, raise taxes, stifling the economy.

He'd then throw money today at all these things like students and police etc which would see a short term present benefit to those in receipt, but now the national debt and deficit doubles.... So what's the plan? When does it stop, or does it continue until bankruptcy ensues? You or I can't spend 4 times what we earn yet many think Corbyn can somehow? Sooner or later, taxes are raised on everyone, the credit rating is downgraded and borrowing/servicing debt is more expensive and labour champion their "investment " in public services, along come the nasty Torys to end the fiscal madness and it's all "cuts" to public services. When will people learn, you can only pay for from that which you earn.

A strong economy is the platform for long term investment in services, trashing the economy is the best way to provide a short term hit followed by years of pain and cuts. Nobody can or will ever find a genuine way to deliver Corbyn like spending plans without massive borrowing and cuts in the future, unless of course we can quadruple our national income. It's fantasy.

Based on?

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[neilbard]

Yes to 106

 

[Surrey Phil]

100% spot on. Who honestly thinks anything Corbyn proposed for students or the NHS or police or public sector pay is bad? Nobody would, except for the fact that he can't do so without trashing the economy again with a trillion pound borrowing binge. We already today spend more as a country than we make and thus a deficit, we already spend more in interest payments on our national debt than we do on education. And yet borrowing like crazy is cheered as anti austerity. Let's say he had got in, he'd borrow at insane levels, raise taxes, stifling the economy.

He'd then throw money today at all these things like students and police etc which would see a short term present benefit to those in receipt, but now the national debt and deficit doubles.... So what's the plan? When does it stop, or does it continue until bankruptcy ensues? You or I can't spend 4 times what we earn yet many think Corbyn can somehow? Sooner or later, taxes are raised on everyone, the credit rating is downgraded and borrowing/servicing debt is more expensive and labour champion their "investment " in public services, along come the nasty Torys to end the fiscal madness and it's all "cuts" to public services. When will people learn, you can only pay for from that which you earn.

A strong economy is the platform for long term investment in services, trashing the economy is the best way to provide a short term hit followed by years of pain and cuts. Nobody can or will ever find a genuine way to deliver Corbyn like spending plans without massive borrowing and cuts in the future, unless of course we can quadruple our national income. It's fantasy.

Very good points but you forgot to add the £100 billion we have to pay to leave Europe!

 

[LlcoolJ]

100% spot on. Who honestly thinks anything Corbyn proposed for students or the NHS or police or public sector pay is bad? Nobody would, except for the fact that he can't do so without trashing the economy again with a trillion pound borrowing binge. We already today spend more as a country than we make and thus a deficit, we already spend more in interest payments on our national debt than we do on education. And yet borrowing like crazy is cheered as anti austerity. Let's say he had got in, he'd borrow at insane levels, raise taxes, stifling the economy.

He'd then throw money today at all these things like students and police etc which would see a short term present benefit to those in receipt, but now the national debt and deficit doubles.... So what's the plan? When does it stop, or does it continue until bankruptcy ensues? You or I can't spend 4 times what we earn yet many think Corbyn can somehow? Sooner or later, taxes are raised on everyone, the credit rating is downgraded and borrowing/servicing debt is more expensive and labour champion their "investment " in public services, along come the nasty Torys to end the fiscal madness and it's all "cuts" to public services. When will people learn, you can only pay for from that which you earn.

A strong economy is the platform for long term investment in services, trashing the economy is the best way to provide a short term hit followed by years of pain and cuts. Nobody can or will ever find a genuine way to deliver Corbyn like spending plans without massive borrowing and cuts in the future, unless of course we can quadruple our national income. It's fantasy.

But austerity has failed. Failed to reduce the budget deficit and reduce the national debt as promised (do not quote bullshit about figures after the US caused financial crisis), failed to increase growth in the economy, failed the people of this country as the heart is ripped out of it with cuts to everything.

It's actually sound economic policy to invest to grow. And yes, invest in education as well as bricks and mortar etc. What the **** is wrong with that? In the long run, you win.

We're not Greece, we have ridiculously low bond rates, the current government is borrowing massively already but imposing "austerity" on the weakest and it's NOT working.

It. Makes. No. Sense.

 

[Scotchegg]

I dunno, it's a nice idea, but is it really enough? Have you considered Dynastic rule as a further step?