Should single faith schools be privately funded?

[nwgull]

Diverse in many senses, except their belief in an imaginary all-powerful sky-god. But that's not really the issue - the faith as a whole may be diverse, but do you think a Catholic school in (say) Sussex has a diverse base of staff and opinions? Or do you think that they are all white, middle-class Catholics that share (or at least, for the purposes of their continued employment, purport to share) that schools key religious views?

You wouldn't want to send your kids to such a school then, and you don't have to. I don't see the problem.


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[Westdene Seagull]

Diverse in many senses, except their belief in an imaginary all-powerful sky-god. But that's not really the issue - the faith as a whole may be diverse, but do you think a Catholic school in (say) Sussex has a diverse base of staff and opinions? Or do you think that they are all white, middle-class Catholics that share (or at least, for the purposes of their continued employment, purport to share) that schools key religious views?

Indeed - my partner was asked at her interview for a job in a private Christian based school if she went to church and if so where. The job description clearly stated the person needed to be of the Christian faith. She lied and got the job ! I went to a Christmas do and it was clear that every member of staff was almost of the happy clappy Christian following.

 

[chimneys]

One of the most diverse groups of people in the world is actually the Catholics. They literally have people from every walk of life from almost every nation in the world among their numbers.

The followers are indeed diverse but the Vatican is still very narrow minded on certain issues and that gets filtered down to teaching in Catholic schools.

e.g. No abortion. Even after rape/incest.
Protective sex. Africa is crying out for a positive proclamation from the Pope to reduce Aids and other sexually transmitted diseases.

 

[sten_super]

You wouldn't want to send your kids to such a school then, and you don't have to. I don't see the problem.


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I don't have a particular issue with the existence of faith schools, for exactly the reason you suggest (that I can simply avoid them). However I have an issue with them being funded by the public purse - I don't think public funds should be used to support any kind of religious (or any other doctrinal) upbringing. I believe that children should be taught about the existence and belief of all faiths, and they can then make their choice about what they believe, and that this is what public funds should support.

 

[Soton Seagull]

Not much of an arguement really. Sounds like a rather narrow minded arguement at that.

One of the most diverse groups of people in the world is actually the Catholics. They literally have people from every walk of life from almost every nation in the world among their numbers.

All believing the same thing! They are indeed diverse as the missionaries bribed and or forced people in the new world to become Catholic, but that's a whole other discussion.

My point really relates to faith schools in this country as that is where they generally have to earn their crust
post education. It is surely useful from a social cohesion point of view for children to mix with all races, belief systems and economic backgrounds. By default this expereince widens the understanding of the individual.

We all like to surround ourselves with the comfort of like minded peers, but we need to have a grasp of what else is out there. In the world of work you need to form relationships with many different types of people. Should your education narrow your interactions to very similar people then you may well struggle.

 

[nwgull]

I don't have a particular issue with the existence of faith schools, for exactly the reason you suggest (that I can simply avoid them). However I have an issue with them being funded by the public purse - I don't think public funds should be used to support any kind of religious (or any other doctrinal) upbringing. I believe that children should be taught about the existence and belief of all faiths, and they can then make their choice about what they believe, and that this is what public funds should support.

Public funds, which include the taxes of religious parents as well as those who aren't.


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[Tyrone Biggums]

The followers are indeed diverse but the Vatican is still very narrow minded on certain issues and that gets filtered down to teaching in Catholic schools.

e.g. No abortion. Even after rape/incest.
Protective sex. Africa is crying out for a positive proclamation from the Pope to reduce Aids and other sexually transmitted diseases.

Why would Africans who aren't catholic listen to what he has to say?

I've not seen any evidence that points to the majority of African aids sufferers are of that faith.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Public funds, which include the taxes of religious parents as well as those who aren't.


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Public funds which include the taxes of racists - should the public purse fund racist schools as well ? There are perfectly good state schools that aren't linked to a specific religion - if you want a religious school then fund it yourself.

 

[BadFish]

For me it should be worked out how much it costs to educate a student per year, This sum should then be paid to each school for each of their students. Any extra money that private or catholic schools then believe they need can be funded by fees or divine intervention or whatever.

Apart from the muslims they should get **** all.......bunch of terrorists *******s*





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[Westdene Seagull]

Why would Africans who aren't catholic listen to what he has to say?

I've not seen any evidence that points to the majority of African aids sufferers are of that faith.

Apparently 15% of Africans are practicing Catholics - that's an awful lot of possible Aids cases !

 

[sten_super]

Public funds, which include the taxes of religious parents as well as those who aren't.

My fundamental point is that the state should not be supporting religions of any type. Individual tax payers can choose to be religious, and can support those religions all they want, but I don't believe that communal funds should be spent on religion.

It's a bit like me setting up a school, and in physics and geography we're going to teach that the Earth is flat. I'm not going to teach that there are theories, that the Earth may be a globe or may be flat (*snigger*), but only that the Earth is flat. Should I then be able to claim public funds to run this school (assuming I could attract a suitable number of kids from flat-earther parents)?

 

[Bold Seagull]

Can we get back on topic i.e. state funded faith schools.


I think an argument about Catholic doctrine is for another thread entirely.

Tyrone, concentrate on sourcing that 1903 bike frame!

 

[narly101]

Lets flip this on the head, just to see the reaction. A heavy muslim community in the UK, decide that it would benefit their children if they set up a school for only muslim followers. All the families pay their taxes, and wish for the school to become a a state funded school. How would the open minded of NSC view this?

 

[nwgull]

Public funds which include the taxes of racists - should the public purse fund racist schools as well ? There are perfectly good state schools that aren't linked to a specific religion - if you want a religious school then fund it yourself.

Godwin's law in less than 3 pages?

 

[Bold Seagull]

Public funds, which include the taxes of religious parents as well as those who aren't.

So the tax from a religious parent has a connection to how that tax is spent compared to an atheist?

Are you saying a religious persons £1 in tax is somehow different to someone else's £1 in tax?

That is certainly how your statement reads....

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Godwin's law in less than 3 pages?

Not quite yet - nobody has mentioned Hitler or the Nazis !

 

[BadFish]

Lets flip this on the head, just to see the reaction. A heavy muslim community in the UK, decide that it would benefit their children if they set up a school for only muslim followers. All the families pay their taxes, and wish for the school to become a a state funded school. How would the open minded of NSC view this?

If the Catholics can have their own education system then surely all faiths should be afforded the same privilege.

 

[sten_super]

Lets flip this on the head, just to see the reaction. A heavy muslim community in the UK, decide that it would benefit their children if they set up a school for only muslim followers. All the families pay their taxes, and wish for the school to become a a state funded school. How would the open minded of NSC view this?

There are already 12.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Lets flip this on the head, just to see the reaction. A heavy muslim community in the UK, decide that it would benefit their children if they set up a school for only muslim followers. All the families pay their taxes, and wish for the school to become a a state funded school. How would the open minded of NSC view this?

Well on the basis that I don't believe there should be ANY religious schools I'd say no !

 

[nwgull]

So the tax from a religious parent has a connection to how that tax is spent compared to an atheist?

Are you saying a religious persons £1 in tax is somehow different to someone else's £1 in tax?

That is certainly how your statement reads....

No it doesn't. My statement reads that £1 from a religious parent should be treated the same as £1 from someone who isn't religious. Ie they should both be able to send their kids to a school that corresponds to their beliefs.