[NSC] Should Mustafa II be unbanned?

[AmexRuislip]

I'm so shocked at all of the drama, I thought NSC was a haven for lunatics

 

[Husty]

Oh so this is why my homepage never loads properly any more

A deeply unsurprising move I have to say. If you don’t want me using your website man up and have the conviction to ban me. Don’t try and do it in the background without anyone noticing.

 

[Da Man Clay]

This place has been good for a while now. Pleasing to see that whatever action the Mods have taken has worked.

Least it’s the end of the season now so the drivel that’s undoubtedly about to start up again is more easily ignored

 

[Flounce]

I think it was a MASSIVE flounce and a request to have all previous posts deleted or something along those lines.

That reads like a school report of mine from a long time ago

Request? It was a fecking repetitive DEMAND and left a bad taste. Stroppy teenager stuff imo, just thinking about himself and f*** how inconvenient and unnecessary it was for Bozza, seeing how quickly he was back.

 

[Cornwallboy]

Unless someone is making actual physical threats to another user I don't think anyone should be banned from NSC. If you disagree with another users views, engage in debate with them and kill them with your arguments, banning is cowardly and arrogant and replicates the 'cancel culture' we see in wider socierty. I've been 'discouraged' before and it is extremely frustrating and annoying in particular when you get another user enquiring as to 'how long did it take you to login today' when they full well know why it took you so long.

 

[macbeth]

hissy fit? - check
calling out the mods? - check
poll? - check


excellent thread

 

[Guinness Boy]

Oh so this is why my homepage never loads properly any more

A deeply unsurprising move I have to say. If you don’t want me using your website man up and have the conviction to ban me. Don’t try and do it in the background without anyone noticing.

Since you're lying, as you wish!

 

[Gabbiano]

Unless someone is making actual physical threats to another user I don't think anyone should be banned from NSC. If you disagree with another users views, engage in debate with them and kill them with your arguments, banning is cowardly and arrogant and replicates the 'cancel culture' we see in wider socierty. I've been 'discouraged' before and it is extremely frustrating and annoying in particular when you get another user enquiring as to 'how long did it take you to login today' when they full well know why it took you so long.

NSC is not a publicly owned forum and doesn't exist in a vacuum. If users are posting things like hate speech or libel, then NSC is liable for that, and users should be warned and banned if necessary.

If users are being abusive and obnoxious to each other, that also discourages active engagement. After all who would want to join such a toxic forum?

Reasoned debate is a very healthy thing, but when it reaches mudslinging then it becomes a problem. The moderators are under no obligation to create a home for that behaviour. It's very trendy to blame cancel culture but ultimately they're just looking after their own website.

To be honest this forum is very lenient in it's moderation. Very few football forums allow such a mixture of threads to sit alongside each other and so many debates to veer off in all sorts of directions. Overall I think this has a positive effect but there are some downsides too.

I think on NSC the rule of thumb is that you have to be selective with what you choose to engage in - no point getting into an argument against an echo chamber. I try not to use tools like the Ignore button very often, and even then I only really use it for sanctimonious tits rather than people with extremely opposing opinions to my own.

 

[Simster]

I try not to use tools like the Ignore button very often, and even then I only really use it for sanctimonious tits rather than people with extremely opposing opinions to my own.

I have never used the ignore feature myself but fully agree with you here. There are 2 or 3 sanctimonious bell-ends on here that get on my tits. Clearly arrogant enough to think we're hanging on their every word, that they'll write an essay that takes up half the page on your screen. Newsflash: I don't care what you think, and I don't read your long-winded boring shite. I doubt I'm alone.

On the other hand I actually find Mustafa II's whinging quite funny. Not as funny as Cornwallboy's though. I literally chuckle out loud whenever I read his drivel - with him it's either moaning about cancel culture or ill-considered right wing bile. He literally doesn't post anything else.

 

[American Seagle]

He should be made a mod.

One rule for them and and another for the rest.

 

[Originunknown]

What is this, a pre-flounce flounce for the second time

 

[Guinness Boy]

One rule for them and and another for the rest.

Indeed - one rule for Brighton and one for Palace

 

[Cornwallboy]

If you have a diversity issue (I'm autistic) make it known, and then try to fit in as best you can, if you want to be part of the fun.

If people stress you out, put them on ignore. It is normally not their fault. Just a clash of something. Mojo? The moment?

Most people on here are very nice. Taking the piss is part of life. Pile-ons are part of life. Shrug it off. Apologize when you have made a mistake.

But the moment you make it all about you is the time to step back.

I have never used the ignore feature myself but fully agree with you here. There are 2 or 3 sanctimonious bell-ends on here that get on my tits. Clearly arrogant enough to think we're hanging on their every word, that they'll write an essay that takes up half the page on your screen. Newsflash: I don't care what you think, and I don't read your long-winded boring shite. I doubt I'm alone.

On the other hand I actually find Mustafa II's whinging quite funny. Not as funny as Cornwallboy's though. I literally chuckle out loud whenever I read his drivel - with him it's either moaning about cancel culture or ill-considered right wing bile. He literally doesn't post anything else.

Yes I do (see the Hereford anniversary post) but even if I don't so what. 'Ill considered bile' because you disagree with it. Doesn't make it 'bile' just because you don't agree with what I post. Unbelievably patronising post but tbh it's what you expect from the oh so 'tolerant' left who resort to insults if they don't agree with them. 'Tolerant' as long as you agree with them.

 

[Zeberdi]

Free the Mustafa 2.

Mustafarians United?

Reasoned debate is a very healthy thing, but when it reaches mudslinging then it becomes a problem. The moderators are under no obligation to create a home for that behaviour. It's very trendy to blame cancel culture but ultimately they're just looking after their own website.

Agree with this but I am sure that it is a difficult balance between non-intervention or invention - most threads seem to be quite good at self-moderating so it does generally find its own balance - it can be unpleasant reading sometimes that the process for that ‘self-moderating often results in a pile on or unpleasant exchanges. Mods don’t moderate too much and sometimes I think there are times when mods could have intervened and didn’t but maybe that’s why when they do step in, it is really effective and has much more impact. None of us either, know how much moderating of forum members goes on privately/via messages/control of functions, so one can’t assume nothing is being done to help keep the site pleasant for everyone ‘behind the scenes’ too.

I think on NSC the rule of thumb is that you have to be selective with what you choose to engage in - no point getting into an argument against an echo chamber. I try not to use tools like the Ignore button very often, and even then I only really use it for sanctimonious tits rather than people with extremely opposing opinions to my own.

I also try not to use the ignore button too much and never have done for anyone’s point of view about an issue only if a person persists in deliberately baiting conflict for the sake of it, making personal digs, barbs or direct attacks - using the ignore button in that situation is not cancel culture or trying to create an echo chamber but self-preservation. Btw I suspect for some people, ’sanctimonious tits’ and those who express ‘extremely opposing opinions’ to themselves, are synonymous.

 

[Simster]

Yes I do (see the Hereford anniversary post) but even if I don't so what. 'Ill considered bile' because you disagree with it. Doesn't make it 'bile' just because you don't agree with what I post. Unbelievably patronising post but tbh it's what you expect from the oh so 'tolerant' left who resort to insults if they don't agree with them. 'Tolerant' as long as you agree with them.

Yes, that's right - this kind of thing.

Lovely stuff Cornwallboy, keep it up.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Yes I do (see the Hereford anniversary post) but even if I don't so what. 'Ill considered bile' because you disagree with it. Doesn't make it 'bile' just because you don't agree with what I post. Unbelievably patronising post but tbh it's what you expect from the oh so 'tolerant' left who resort to insults if they don't agree with them. 'Tolerant' as long as you agree with them.

Absolutely textbook. All your accounts have loved that phrase.

Correct as it's a chat forum where you can post things regardless of what you do for a living. If you don't like it do what a couple of the luminaries on here have done and put me on the 'ignore list'.

I'm sorry that I'm not posting links to Guardian and Independent articles (have read some good articles in the Guardian last few days, don't read the Independent) and saying I vote Labour, hate the 'evil Tories' and believe women's football is 'on the rise and hugely entertaining'. We all have different opinions and it doesn't make me a 'moron' and various other insults that have been directed at me (as I said couldn't care less) but find it strange that the oh so tolerant left resort to name calling and become patronising if you dare to disagree with them.

 

[Cornwallboy]

Absolutely textbook. All your accounts have loved that phrase.

And? Gonna 'discourage' me are you or ban me because I hold the 'wrong' views for NSC?

 

[Guinness Boy]

And? Gonna 'discourage' me are you or ban me because I hold the 'wrong' views for NSC?

You weren't discouraged because of your views but because of the way you were expressing them. Anyone with half an ounce of self awareness would have known that.

 

[WATFORD zero]

And? Gonna 'discourage' me are you or ban me because I hold the 'wrong' views for NSC?

Out of interest, why did you stop using the @Beach Seagull account, was it banned ?

I wonder if the answer is somewhere here

 

[Guinness Boy]

Out of interest, why did you stop using the @Beach Seagull account, was it banned ?

Not banned. Maybe he just stopped working as a traffic warden