[Politics] Should Lewis Hamilton be knighted?

[hart's shirt]

Other knights and dames include Redgrave, Pinsent, Ainslie, Farah, Hoy, Wiggins, Faldo, McCoy, Murray, Holmes, Grey-Thompson, Ennis-Hill, Grainger and MacArthur.

He'd certainly be in good company there.

And yes, he deserves to be there.

 

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Why should he be knighted, hes promoted BLM that has serious issues, he had had all his success in the best possible car/ team at that time. Also his head is big enough already without making it bigger. No I dont like him, I worked for many years in motorsport including two seasons of F1. Talk to people in the sport for their impressions of the man.

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Talk to people in F1 you say but the first thing you make reference to is BLM!!!!

Apart from one year when Hamilton suffered multiple mechanical failures, when has he been outpaced by a team mate in the same car? Even as a rookie he did better than a reigning two time champion in Alonso.

 

[Icy Gull]

Talk to people in F1 you say but the first thing you make reference to is BLM!!!!

Apart from one year when Hamilton suffered multiple mechanical failures, when has he been outpaced by a team mate in the same car? Even as a rookie he did better than a reigning two time champion in Alonso.

He only lost that title by five points too and arguably Mercedes were favouring Rosberg, they even gave him Hamilton’s pit crew from the previous season. It took so much out of Rosberg that he quit F1 a few days after winning the title.which he only won because of The DNFs for Hamilton. Rosberg even resorted to dirty tricks to win a couple of races, notably Monaco where he stopped his car on track just before the end of qualifying to stop Hamilton bettering his time.

 

[dangull]

People keep emphasising he is black, he is also half white as well.
No doubt he is a great driver but the car is important as well. After he won his 1st world title in 2008 he didn't win his 2nd until 2014 after he joined the all conquering Mercedes team. Also he hasn't always dominated his team mates, Alonso finished half a point ahead of him in his rookie 1st season( no shame in that) Jenson Button finished ahead of him in 1 season and was very close to him another year when they were at McLaren. Rosberg also won a world title ahead of him 1 season, although I think the team helped to manipulate that result.

Having said that, his drive on Sunday and numerous other occasions proves that he is probably the best of all time and totally deserves any awards going around IMO

 

[Icy Gull]

People keep emphasising he is black, he is also half white as well.
No doubt he is a great driver but the car is important as well. After he won his 1st world title in 2008 he didn't win his 2nd until 2014 after he joined the all conquering Mercedes team. Also he hasn't always dominated his team mates, Alonso finished half a point ahead of him in his rookie 1st season( no shame in that) Jenson Button finished ahead of him in 1 season and was very close to him another year when they were at McLaren. Rosberg also won a world title ahead of him 1 season, although I think the team helped to manipulate that result.

Having said that, his drive on Sunday and numerous other occasions proves that he is probably the best of all time and totally deserves any awards going around IMO

Also lost a Championship in a final race in China when his tyre exploded as he came into the pits because the team had left him out too long. As someone else alluded to you cannot discount his input into the car, Mercedes had won F all before he went there and most thought he was nuts to leave Mclaren for them.

 

[zefarelly]

Also lost a Championship in a final race in China when his tyre exploded as he came into the pits because the team had left him out too long. As someone else alluded to you cannot discount his input into the car, Mercedes had won F all before he went there and most thought he was nuts to leave Mclaren for them.

Given the Merc WAS a championship winning Brawn, for Button, who's worthy but no great/legend, and Schumacher did diddly squat in it . . . . a little simplistic, but

 

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Given the Merc WAS a championship winning Brawn, for Button, who's worthy but no great/legend, and Schumacher did diddly squat in it . . . . a little simplistic, but

That was 2008 though, a few years before Hamilton joined when Red Bull were then dominating.

 

[Deleted member 2719]

He pays tax in the UK (as others have also said, he's in the top 5000 of UK tax payers) however he as he lives in Monaco he doesn't pay as much as he would do if he lived in the UK.

That said, how many on here bemoaning the fact he lives in Monaco wouldn't, given the same opportunities, wouldn't do the same?

I can't see many on here wanting to live amongst the rich and famous, they are to busy castigating them. I would suggest you have the wrong board.


Come to think about it, there are a lot of fickle ones.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

HMRC put him in the top 5,000 of all UK tax payers. I doubt you'll see many politicians in there. You sure as hell don't get there by paying £4k tax.


Lewis has his own charity, the Lewis Hamilton Foundation. He also supports several other charities, including Save the Children, UNICEF, Education Africa. Interestingly, I remember the bile he got hit with after announcing he was donatating half a million to help save Australian animals during the bushfires - because it's nothing to him, being the 13th Richest person on Forbes sporting rich list. Yet Roger Federer (5th on the rich list), joined forces with Rafa Nadal (37th) and jointly donated AUD$250k. And yet they got hardly any grief for this amazing gesture.

I suppose that might be because people think Lewis should pay more because he drives a car instead of hits balls. Or maybe, just maybe, many people are racist pricks.

Edit: I'm not saying you are. And frankly, I don't know anyone on this thread's reasons for not liking Hamilton, but none of it seems very consistent to me. I find the whole thing frustrating that we can't be proud of someone from our shores being so successful.

You don't have to be racist to align with racist tropes.

Anyone who qualified their 'no' position by saying 'I oppose all honours for sports people, including Henry Cooper, Bobby Charlton, etc' or indeed honours for anyone including the old fellah who marched up and down his garden - fine. It's a defensible position.

Those saying he's a shit, a tax dodger or just plain weird need to give their head a wobble.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

**** me. People are still arguing that he's not a sportsman, or that it is all about the car. Utter pricks. Sorry, but you really are

 

[Hampster Gull]

**** me. People are still arguing that he's not a sportsman, or that it is all about the car. Utter pricks. Sorry, but you really are

We need a corner of NSC for head wobbling for all those that need to wobble their heads

 

[Weststander]

We need a corner of NSC for head wobbling for all those that need to wobble their heads

Martin Webster Corner.

 

[Audax]

I voted yes. He's earned it, if he wants it. For both sporting and non-sporting reasons.

Having said that, there were non-sporting reasons I would have been against it in the past. Thankfully, his attitude has moved in a positive direction since that infamous Monaco incident when he played the race card while complaining about being penalised for multiple incidents during the weekend. He handled it well after the fact, but the fact he even went there was revealing. In the near decade since then he's channeled whatever it was in him that made him think that was acceptable in a far more positive direction, and unlike others I am happy to support his support for BLM (the movement, not the political group that twists what BLM is meant to be - and the two should never be conflated).

 

[*Gullsworth*]

Why should he be knighted, hes promoted BLM that has serious issues, he had had all his success in the best possible car/ team at that time. Also his head is big enough already without making it bigger. No I dont like him, I worked for many years in motorsport including two seasons of F1. Talk to people in the sport for their impressions of the man.

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Would they not agree he is the most talented, successful driver of any nationality the sport has ever had? Because he is!

 

[Weststander]

Would they not agree he is the most talented, successful driver of any nationality the sport has ever had? Because he is!

But he jumped on that irritating BLM malarkey. Why can't he keep his head down, keep quiet about non-F1 matters and lay off the fake news about (non-existent) racism in the developed world?

 

[*Gullsworth*]

But he jumped on that irritating BLM malarkey. Why can't he keep his head down, keep quiet about non-F1 matters and lay off the fake news about (non-existent) racism in the developed world?

Trying to keep politics out of this thread...but does any activity a sportsman may participate out of their sport that they excell in reduce their sporting brilliance & dominance?

I thought the poll was does LH deserve a Knighthood for his sporting achievements not who likes him enough to call him Sir?

 

[Brian Parsons]

Would they not agree he is the most talented, successful driver of any nationality the sport has ever had? Because he is!

Oh you poor sad deluded people.

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[Weststander]

Oh you poor sad deluded people.

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Good evening Mr Farage.

 

[Iggle Piggle]

Also lost a Championship in a final race in China when his tyre exploded as he came into the pits because the team had left him out too long. As someone else alluded to you cannot discount his input into the car, Mercedes had won F all before he went there and most thought he was nuts to leave Mclaren for them.

Teams tend to galvanise around a quality driver. Ferrari have/had won nothing for years before or since yet won the lot under Schumacher, Merc likewise under Hamilton. Mclaren were unbeatable when Senna and Prost were there. Its a massively simplistic argument in all these cases that you could put anyone in and they'd be winning races. Take Hamilton out the Merc and replace with someone like Grosjean and Verstappen is trying to be a world champ with Bottas for the 1st time with everyone saying how great it is to have 2 evenly matched teams going at it.

People used to say anyone could win the title with the players Man Utd had at their disposal and Alex Ferguson wasn't a great manager. Look how they got on when he left. Making it look easy doesn't mean people should believe it is.

 

[*Gullsworth*]

Oh you poor sad deluded people.

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