Shoreham Air show crash

[martyn20]

We can all form an opinion, but I don't want to get into a debate about what we do or don't know. The guidlines are pretty clear though.

Rule 5 of the UK Rules of the Air 1996

(2) The low flying prohibitions

(a) An aircraft shall not be flown below such height as would enable it, in the event of a power unit failure, to make an emergency landing without causing danger to persons or property on the surface.

But we have no idea why it was at that height, so any discussion is total speculation and unnecessary at this point....

 

[LamieRobertson]

But we have no idea why it was at that height, so any discussion is total speculation and unnecessary at this point....

Agreed and if they want to talk about it i wish it was done on a separate thread!

 

[Since1982]

Drove down to the bridge from home in Hassocks tonight with some flowers. Incredibly moving. So many flowers and lovely to see some Albion shirts and scarves. I believe members of Jacobs family were there too.

 

[drew]

We can all form an opinion, but I don't want to get into a debate about what we do or don't know. The guidlines are pretty clear though.

Rule 5 of the UK Rules of the Air 1996

(2) The low flying prohibitions

(a) An aircraft shall not be flown below such height as would enable it, in the event of a power unit failure, to make an emergency landing without causing danger to persons or property on the surface.

Doesn't exemption f apply?

 

[The Wookiee]

We can all form an opinion, but I don't want to get into a debate about what we do or don't know. The guidlines are pretty clear though.

Rule 5 of the UK Rules of the Air 1996

(2) The low flying prohibitions

(a) An aircraft shall not be flown below such height as would enable it, in the event of a power unit failure, to make an emergency landing without causing danger to persons or property on the surface.

Like I said in previous post, let's not discuss what errors the pilot may of made or may not of made, let's just leave it for another time

 

[Soulman]

Like I said in previous post, let's not discuss what errors the pilot may of not made, let's just leave it for another time

Exactly, remember the pilot is in a very bad way, he may not recover....and if he does what will go through his mind, and how must his loved ones be feeling.

 

[symyjym]

Like I said in previous post, let's not discuss what errors the pilot may of made or may not of made, let's just leave it for another time

Mentioning the article prompted the thread direction, but you are right.

 

[Horton's halftime iceberg]

I am sure this will be posted a few times, but its a sticky at the top of the board and a really positive way of remembering Jacob

£765 raised so far on the just giving page towards an initial total of £1000

Click the link below its very easy to donate towards a great cause and memory if you cannot make the walk

https://www.justgiving.com/JacobsREMFwalk/

 

[Stat Brother]

With regards to flying directly over the A27.

A few years ago I was driving that route on Airshow weekend, in a big red minibus.
I was a residential social worker & the bus was full of the kids from our Children's home.

Naturally we all had our eyes peeled watching the display, when we got buzzed by an orange jet.
It was incredibly close to us, properly shaking the bus, and naturally it was fantastic.

I assume the pilot was using such an obvious looking vehicle as a reference point/marker on the road.

 

[Horton's halftime iceberg]

I am sure this will be posted a few times, but its a sticky at the top of the board and a really positive way of remembering Jacob

£765 raised so far on the just giving page towards an initial total of £1000

Click the link below its very easy to donate towards a great cause and memory if you cannot make the walk

https://www.justgiving.com/JacobsREMFwalk/

£775

https://www.justgiving.com/JacobsREMFwalk/

 

[Shropshire Seagull]

For those that wish to follow a thread on Pilots Rumour Network relating to this truly tragic incident - you'll find it here

As others have said, please can we keep any speculation away from NSC.

 

[dazzer6666]

Agree with the comments on speculation. Pal of mine is a long-standing BA staffer and knew the pilot well and he and his colleagues have taken this so badly.

I'm away on holiday at the moment so feel a bit distant, but can't stop thinking about this. It's so desperately sad and I so want to get down to the Toll Bridge to pay my respects. I was there last month for the Lunar-Tic marathon, the course was three laps - from the Sea Scout Centre to the footbridg, up to Upper Beeding along the river, over the river and down the other side. It was so beautiful running under moonlight for the last couple of hours along the river bank, difficult to reconcile this with something so tragic.

 

[British Bulldog]

As you can see I started this thread not long after the tragic event occurred, I was at the airshow with my 11 year old son, my girlfriend, her 9 year old and 14 year old daughters, we all witnessed the impact from the show ground,and then the eerie silence from the crowds, then the crying and hysteria, the kids didn't sleep at all on Saturday night, the kids are still upset now and still can't sleep even though we've tried to shield them from the enormity of the tragedy. Our hearts go out to those that have lost their lives and the families of those affected, as residents of Shoreham and of Sussex and BHAFC supporters it is amazing how as a community everybody has pulled together and shown support for what was and is a very sad tragedy.

I can only imagine how bad it must have been to witness the crash, I live fairly close to the site and had just returned home from visiting the grandchildren when I heard the explosion and looked out my back door and saw the big cloud of black smoke. I still feel numb myself so heaven knows how you must all be feeling. Like you my heart goes out to everybody involved in this terrible accident.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Agree with the comments on speculation. Pal of mine is a long-standing BA staffer and knew the pilot well and he and his colleagues have taken this so badly.

I'm away on holiday at the moment so feel a bit distant, but can't stop thinking about this. It's so desperately sad and I so want to get down to the Toll Bridge to pay my respects. I was there last month for the Lunar-Tic marathon, the course was three laps - from the Sea Scout Centre to the footbridg, up to Upper Beeding along the river, over the river and down the other side. It was so beautiful running under moonlight for the last couple of hours along the river bank, difficult to reconcile this with something so tragic.

I agree. We often see events like this in the news but when it happens so close to home it really makes you realise how devastating it is and how much it affects the community. The flip side is it makes you realise how wonderful and strong community is. I hope those directly affected can get some comfort from this latter point.

RIP.

 

[Notters]

It may be worth highlighting that the club's event on Saturday is at the new footbridge in shoreham; not at the Tollbridge as stated on South East Today.

 

[Petunia]

I haven't posted on this thread as each time I tried I just haven't known what to say. It was such a tragic event. Heartbreaking for the families and friends of those who so sadly lost their lives. Horrible for the emergency services who had to deal with the aftermath. For the people on the A27 who have images etched in their minds they would rather unsee. For those at the Airshow anticipating a pleasant day out.
It happened on a road I travelled to and from work daily. It happened at an Airshow I have attended in the past. And it happened on probably one of the best days of my life.
I arrived in Australia very early on Saturday morning and met my brand new grandson. My first grandchild.
Being exhausted I went to bed at around 9.00pm Saturday night, midday in the UK, and woke up to the news on Sunday morning. Awful news.
As I sat and cuddled a brand new little life, I watched images of my home town headlining on Australian TV. A day or so later I saw images of Matt and Jacob with BHA logos on their tops. Matt Jones' face appeared on the TV as apparently he lived in Australia for a while. And then Maurice Abrahams. To say this was all very surreal is an understatement.
My heart went out to Westdene Seagull and Boroseagull. I was so pleased when they both received good news.
The flowers from NSC was a beautiful touch.
Throughout this tragedy the club has acted admirably and I am proud to be a BHA supporter. I will not be able to do the walk for Jacob/REMF so have made a donation instead.
RIP Matt, Jacob and all those who lost their lives that day.

 

[perseus]

We can all form an opinion, but I don't want to get into a debate about what we do or don't know. The guidlines are pretty clear though.

Rule 5 of the UK Rules of the Air 1996

(2) The low flying prohibitions

(a) An aircraft shall not be flown below such height as would enable it, in the event of a power unit failure, to make an emergency landing without causing danger to persons or property on the surface.

Planes are designed to glide to safety in most circumstances* but there is always/often a critical height on take off where it is not possible. *I still find this hard to believe but we were told this at a Coroner's Inquest (I was on the jury). Apparently this also applies to helicopters.

There are other things that apply as well. On take off and presumably at air shows some technical person will be watching for imminent faults. Risk assessment should apply at air shows. Organisers should predict the worst. Shoreham is very strong on exhibitions and everybody has to do them. The worst fear of organisers.

 

[Return of the Rev]

Just popped over to the Oak to leave some flowers rest in peace Matt. My son said he was the nicest bloke and by all accounts he was.

 

[mikeyjh]

Planes are designed to glide to safety in most circumstances* but there is always/often a critical height on take off where it is not possible. *I still find this hard to believe but we were told this at a Coroner's Inquest (I was on the jury). Apparently this also applies to helicopters.

There are other things that apply as well. On take off and presumably at air shows some technical person will be watching for imminent faults. Risk assessment should apply at air shows. Organisers should predict the worst. Shoreham is very strong on exhibitions and everybody has to do them. The worst fear of organisers.

I'm not sure that does happen, but I did watch Andy HIll (the pilot) preparing the Jet Provost at Shoreham the previous for the Eastbourne display. He was absolutely meticulous in his inspection of the plane and was 'playing out' his display on the tarmac before take off, no doubt they take safety very very carefully. I think it's disappointing to see other pilots accusing him off showing off etc - And I didn't see anything to suggest his arrival was at 100 ft.....

 

[TomandJerry]

The pilot of the Shoreham air crash jet has been moved to a specialist hospital for treatment, an NHS trust spokesman has confirmed.

Andrew Hill was left fighting for his life after the vintage Hawker Hunter he was flying plummeted on to the A27 below, killing at least 11 people.

The busy road has been closed since the crash on Saturday, and Susses Police have announced that it is due to reopen on Bank Holiday Monday.

Mr Hill had been placed in a medically induced coma at the Royal Sussex County Hospital following the incident, but has now been moved to an undisclosed location.

A spokesman for the Brighton and Hove NHS Foundation Trust said: "He (Mr Hill) is in a critical but stable condition, but has been moved to an unnamed specialist hospital."