Shirley this cannot be right !

[lawros left foot]

They don't consider this to be a safety issue.

Just shows how stupid their argument is.

 

[Diablo]

British Rail hasn't existed for over 20 years and people don't need to work overtime now and why should they ?

People who want to get on..Better themselves...Most people I know love overtime !!!

 

[Arthur]

London Underground - all stations manned with platform staff all the time trains are running I believe.

That's not true. Some are a bit like Crowborough (where I think you live?) in the sense they are completely unmanned for periods of service.

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

British Rail hasn't existed for over 20 years and people don't need to work overtime now and why should they ?

F@@k,me you are so up,your leftie arse, grow up

 

[Brighton Mod]

This is about preparing for the inevitable, in the not too distant future we will be having driverless trains, its coming, the technology is there, as with signalling is now done, ticketing will be online or purchased without a cashier. The unions know its coming and probably so do the drivers, so the game is too extract as much as they can in the meantime. Safety is a smokescreen, other union drivers undertake the same task as is being asked of southern drivers.
We are in for a summer of discontent I fear, as Corbyn and his union contacts attempt to make life as difficult for the public as possible, to sow the seeds of discontent, we will see airline staff, NHS and council workers out. Hold on tight!!!!

 

[Brighton Mod]

That's not true. Some are a bit like Crowborough (where I think you live?) in the sense they are completely unmanned for periods of service.

Cowden and Berwick are not manned,

 

[Ernest]

F@@k,me you are so up,your leftie arse, grow up

What's your righty problem ? You have some real problems that you should address

 

[DavePage]

What's your righty problem ? You have some real problems that you should address

Doesn’t get the Cliftonville Sausage, maybe?

 

[Westdene Seagull]

People who want to get on..Better themselves...Most people I know love overtime !!!

Most the people I know that do overtime love the extra money ..... they hate doing the overtime though.

 

[Bigtomfu]

The sad reality is fare paying customers just want a reliable service so in true Monty Python and the holy grail style GET ON WITH IT!!!


Sometimes right, sometimes wrong but ALWAYS certain

 

[The Large One]

F@@k,me you are so up,your leftie arse, grow up

What does that even mean? I'm struggling to work out why you said it and what it means.

 

[The Large One]

This is about preparing for the inevitable, in the not too distant future we will be having driverless trains, its coming, the technology is there, as with signalling is now done, ticketing will be online or purchased without a cashier. The unions know its coming and probably so do the drivers, so the game is too extract as much as they can in the meantime. Safety is a smokescreen, other union drivers undertake the same task as is being asked of southern drivers.
We are in for a summer of discontent I fear, as Corbyn and his union contacts attempt to make life as difficult for the public as possible, to sow the seeds of discontent, we will see airline staff, NHS and council workers out. Hold on tight!!!!

It does appear that you're not exactly Mr Current Affairs.

As you know (at least you really should), this is an issue which has been started, and continued, by the government who - in their own words - wanted a fight with the unions. True, ASLEF and the RMT could have played this better and updated their industrial actions, but be in no doubt, Peter Wilkinson is the architect of this conflict. Blaming the unions for daily cancellations, delays, health and safety issues and disabled access is ludicrous.

Regarding driverless trains, on trains in south east England, absolutely no chance. You're way off the mark here to the point of irrelevance.

It's simply not safe enough to have driverless train across a dysfunctional network beset with ongoing problems technical and management problems. In order for a driverless network to happen, the entire infrastructure would have to be re-set and re-built. Just because it operates on some standalone networks, it doesn't follow that the competing networks on poor quality rails, with outdated, inefficient and often broken down trains on an open system would work.

So you're miles off with your contention about the unions here, that consideration is totally irrelevant. The government won't even invest in new rolling stock with basics like toilets, they'd have no chance of investing in an entirely new operating system.

And if it's safety you're so Johnson-esquely blasé and happy to dismiss, read this... https://abcommuters.wordpress.com/2...d-for-safety-improvements-at-london-victoria/

The Gibb Report, should it ever see the light of day, is expected to damn the rail companies regarding (among many issues) health and safety - you know, the issue you've convinced yourself is a 'smokescreen'.

 

[Brighton Mod]

It does appear that you're not exactly Mr Current Affairs.

As you know (at least you really should), this is an issue which has been started, and continued, by the government who - in their own words - wanted a fight with the unions. True, ASLEF and the RMT could have played this better and updated their industrial actions, but be in no doubt, Peter Wilkinson is the architect of this conflict. Blaming the unions for daily cancellations, delays, health and safety issues and disabled access is ludicrous.

Regarding driverless trains, on trains in south east England, absolutely no chance. You're way off the mark here to the point of irrelevance.

It's simply not safe enough to have driverless train across a dysfunctional network beset with ongoing problems technical and management problems. In order for a driverless network to happen, the entire infrastructure would have to be re-set and re-built. Just because it operates on some standalone networks, it doesn't follow that the competing networks on poor quality rails, with outdated, inefficient and often broken down trains on an open system would work.

So you're miles off with your contention about the unions here, that consideration is totally irrelevant. The government won't even invest in new rolling stock with basics like toilets, they'd have no chance of investing in an entirely new operating system.

And if it's safety you're so Johnson-esquely blasé and happy to dismiss, read this... https://abcommuters.wordpress.com/2...d-for-safety-improvements-at-london-victoria/

The Gibb Report, should it ever see the light of day, is expected to damn the rail companies regarding (among many issues) health and safety - you know, the issue you've convinced yourself is a 'smokescreen'.

A detailed response and thank you for the trouble you took to compile it. Too much detail for me, however we won't have to wait long on the summer of discontent to prove true or false, we'll kick it of with tomorrows Day of Rage March, even the name is inciting 'aggro',when a march condoned bt Corbyn will march on parliament during the delivery of the Queens Speech.

As for computerisation of railways,it will start with the underground and will in time lead the same on the networks. Who would have thought that five out of six take off and landings in commercial passenger carrying planes would be undertaken by computer.