Shield those at high-risk and release everyone else?

[darkwolf666]

And how blasé some people have come about them being taken away. Just took a few weeks.

Life isn’t clinically sterile. We live amidst death, disease, illness...

If we stay locked in until it’s safe to come out that means we just don’t come out.

In the meantime the economy crashes, mental health deteriorates for some, and natural immunity starts to lower. I actually we’ve gone past the stage where the “cure” has become worse than the disease.

Ok, I know you have expressed the herd immunity mantra on other threads and that, clearly, is your right. I feel it best I don’t reply to your posts now, clearly not to put you on ignore, because your points are valid for someone who believes them.

Good luck for the future and hope you find work soon!

 

[Marty___Mcfly]

Today's Sunday Times editorial-

 

[RossyG]

And when the full focus of society is on getting that cure ? When it is the daily number one priority and target ?


If you lock a part of society away then they will be conveniently forgotten and the focus and urgency on finding the cure will be lost.

Lock up the entire population to focus scientific minds on finding a cure? That’s just tyranny.

 

[sparkie]

Lock up the entire population to focus scientific minds on finding a cure? That’s just tyranny.

I haven't been locked up and I've been sticking to the rules.

 

[darkwolf666]

Today's Sunday Times editorial-

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Unfortunately that article keeps banging on about “the elderly”, when the virus clearly doesn’t only affect the elderly.

Also talk about “from past experience”. What past experience? I’ve been alive 60 years and must have blinked and missed our last Pandemic!

 

[RossyG]

Has it occurred to you, in your healthy state, that you could be a carrier?

I’m about 80% sure I’ve already had it. I won’t know until I get an antibody test, though.

And the thing about herd immunity is that you can manage it to an extent. Lock down the vulnerable, let the healthy bear the brunt.

Unfortunately, this is a pandemic. There’s no “nobody dies” option. But if we try to protect the small demographics it kills, then we can use our natural immune system against it.

 

[Wozza]

Shield those at high-risk.... or open garden centres for the oldies.

 

[Marty___Mcfly]

Unfortunately that article keeps banging on about “the elderly”, when the virus clearly doesn’t only affect the elderly.

Also talk about “from past experience”. What past experience? I’ve been alive 60 years and must have blinked and missed our last Pandemic!

Looking at the statistics, 91% of those who have passed away had a pre-existing condition. Only 166 were aged below 40. Based on those statistics, those under 40 and with no pre-existing condition are at extremely low risk. It is those people who could get back out there.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I’m about 80% sure I’ve already had it. I won’t know until I get an antibody test, though.

And the thing about herd immunity is that you can manage it to an extent. Lock down the vulnerable, let the healthy bear the brunt.

Unfortunately, this is a pandemic. There’s no “nobody dies” option. But if we try to protect the small demographics it kills, then we can use our natural immune system against it.

That’s the clue. Testing and tracking.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Shield those at high-risk.... or open garden centres for the oldies.

A bit like supermarkets then?

 

[darkwolf666]

Looking at the statistics, 91% of those who have passed away had a pre-existing condition. Only 166 were aged below 40. Based on those statistics, those under 40 and with no pre-existing condition are at extremely low risk. It is those people who could get back out there.

So the government decided protecting the over 70s was logistically impossible, so you want to widen that to the over 40s.

I am resigned to spending, possibly, the next year of my life indoors, protecting my wife.

That clearly is my choice.

You can make yours, as it will have no affect on us, hopefully the same can be said for others.

 

[golddene]

Lost my job over this - tick

Unable to visit family or have any kind of social life - tick

Liable to be moved on by police if I sit on the beach or in the park - tick

Sorry for your job loss, I truly am. Both other things you mention are the same for everyone else though, unless you are deemed vulnerable and are shielded and obeying these restrictions, as I am, due to my wife of 38 years being at greater risk due to health conditions. We saw which way this was going early on and have been social isolating since early February, and I have since then only been shopping once a week and apart from the chemist etc not been out. To carry on protecting her I have to continue this isolation for ever now or in the unlikely event some vaccine or more likely medication is modelled to control the illness. we are in the lucky group and have a small garden to be able to go out into. I get my first state pension payment tomorrow after a lifetime of work and paying into the economy, some retirement this is going to be.
On top of all this I can see the figures as can everyone else and agree that this illness does seem to affect the aged and frail disproportionately whereas the young and healthy are seemingly shrugging this off and if this proves to be enduring they must be able to get back to some normality and life. I hope for your and every one else's sake that this continues to be the case and this disease isn't just picking off the easy targets first before returning in a second/third /fourth wave to mop up the rest of us in its relentless spread. Very important call for our leaders to make, I wouldn't want to be making these decisions. good health and luck to all.

 

[darkwolf666]

Sorry for your job loss, I truly am. Both other things you mention are the same for everyone else though, unless you are deemed vulnerable and are shielded and obeying these restrictions, as I am, due to my wife of 38 years being at greater risk due to health conditions. We saw which way this was going early on and have been social isolating since early February, and I have since then only been shopping once a week and apart from the chemist etc not been out. To carry on protecting her I have to continue this isolation for ever now or in the unlikely event some vaccine or more likely medication is modelled to control the illness. we are in the lucky group and have a small garden to be able to go out into. I get my first state pension payment tomorrow after a lifetime of work and paying into the economy, some retirement this is going to be.
On top of all this I can see the figures as can everyone else and agree that this illness does seem to affect the aged and frail disproportionately whereas the young and healthy are seemingly shrugging this off and if this proves to be enduring they must be able to get back to some normality and life. I hope for your and every one else's sake that this continues to be the case and this disease isn't just picking off the easy targets first before returning in a second/third /fourth wave to mop up the rest of us in its relentless spread. Very important call for our leaders to make, I wouldn't want to be making these decisions. good health and luck to all.

Thinking of you, from a similar place, good luck!

 

[golddene]

Thinking of you, from a similar place, good luck!

Thanks Buddy, and the same to you and yours and all who find themselves in this 'almost in living memory' unheard of pandemic situation, good luck and good health to all.

 

[East Staffs Gull]

The OP is referring only to the risk of death. Younger fit people would still be exposed to the risk of catching the virus and to the possibility of becoming sufficiently ill to require medical intervention. The question would then be whether the NHS is able to cope with this demand and, to a degree, whether this is an appropriate use of NHS resources.

 

[Machiavelli]

Until the virus R-value goes low enough.

If it creeps above another threshold then Lockdown 2 for all.


We need to be all in it together to keep minds focused on a cure.

Yes, you're right. We need two things to occur before we can gradually begin to ease the lockdown:
-- the R-rate has to fall low, certainly below 0.5 and the lower it goes the more restrictions can be lifted (the good news is that there really has been progress on this front)
-- the test, track, trace, isolate infrastructure needs to be put in place (the bad news is that it seems we're a long way off this)

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Of course we should, does that mean it’s ideal? No

We have to get people back to work ASAP, it’s not the case of wealth over health either.

How are we going to pay for the NHS etc without people working

We are on a ticking time bomb, the longer this goes on the more people are out of work but don’t realise it as still on furlough.

We will get to the point where it’s going to be personal choice of what you wish to do.

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

Locking down the most vulnerable, such as my wife begs the question what does the rest of the family do? We all work, currently all furloughed, but especially my work involves a lot of travel and a lot of exposure to joe public. We could be my wife's death sentence.

I really worry about the future as it's impossible for me and my adult children to stay at home for ever! Added to which my son is going insane, not being able to see his girlfriend.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Locking down the most vulnerable, such as my wife begs the question what does the rest of the family do? We all work, currently all furloughed, but especially my work involves a lot of travel and a lot of exposure to joe public. We could be my wife's death sentence.

I really worry about the future as it's impossible for me and my adult children to stay at home for ever! Added to which my son is going insane, not being able to see his girlfriend.

This is where targeted Furloughing would work.

You would qualify for it to continue - therefore shielding them and not suffering by 100 percent loss of wages.

The numbers coming off the scheme would make it possible.

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

This is where targeted Furloughing would work.

You would qualify for it to continue - therefore shielding them and not suffering by 100 percent loss of wages.

The numbers coming off the scheme would make it possible.

I agree but you need the safeguard the same as maternity leave where your job still exists. No one else does my job in the company in my area (the whole of the south of England and Wales) my worry is that the company would have to fill it in my absence.