[News] Shemima Begum- Should she be allowed to return to the UK?

[vegster]

Possession of 1,200 images of child sexual abuse and possessing a child abuse manual.

Imprisonable up to 5 years.

Right, I could not remember what the offences were and which one of the two offenders it was so did not go in to too much detail. So my point stands, do your time, get supported rehabilitation ( monitored closely) and rebuild your life or, if you relapse, get banged up again....until such time as you are able to fully join society or you are permanently excluded from it.

 

[KZNSeagull]

Canadian Spooks I think

Shamima Begum, who fled the UK and joined the Islamic State group, was smuggled into Syria by an intelligence agent for Canada.

Interesting, I didn't know that. Has there ever been an investigation into how she was radicalised and groomed in this country?

 

[jcdenton08]

I think that there should always be a penalty to pay if you have committed a crime but after that a road to redemption. The Bulger killers had their time in court and served their sentences. .one of them has had minor relapses and has been jailed again I believe while the other one has changed for the better.

So, bring her home, put her on trial, if found guilty bang her up then start the road to rehabilitation. We all make mistakes and saying that a 23 year old girl is a security risk to the UK is frankly balls.

Respectfully, you don’t know enough about the unpublished aspects of the case to come to that conclusion. If anything, the circumstantial evidence would suggest the opposite. The closed findings almost certainly tell the real story here of why UK intelligence believes she poses an actual risk. These have been seen by the government, the defence and the judiciary and not the public.

 

[vegster]

Respectfully, you don’t know enough about the unpublished aspects of the case to come to that conclusion. If anything, the circumstantial evidence would suggest the opposite. The closed findings almost certainly tell the real story here of why UK intelligence believes she poses an actual risk. These have been seen by the government, the defence and the judiciary and not the public.

Your last two sentences sum up my disquiet. We don't know how this 23 year old girl poses such great risk that she can't come back and face a trial...this sort of thing is very Russian, think Navalny, trumped up charges and hazy " evidence " . I'm quite sure that many more greater threats to our society are already walking the streets and employed as opinion journalists.

 

[nicko31]

She should stand trial for what she is accused of doing so. Everyone should have a right to a fair trial.

Yes she was a child that was trafficked, of course she should be returned and justice should be carried out.

But this government instead gets someone of colour to do the dog whistle politics and is more interested in headlines in the non-dom press.

The UK is increasingly the outlier on this across western nations. If we carry on like this we're heading to a dark place.

 

[jcdenton08]

Your last two sentences sum up my disquiet. We don't know how this 23 year old girl poses such great risk that she can't come back and face a trial...this sort of thing is very Russian, think Navalny, trumped up charges and hazy " evidence " . I'm quite sure that many more greater threats to our society are already walking the streets and employed as opinion journalists.

Again, this is guesswork and hyperbole. What we do know is that the judiciary dismissed an appeal on this issue. Their reasons for doing so may be scrutinised in the future under FOIA requests, but for now there’s nothing more to be done.

 

[clapham_gull]

see my posts above

I agree she should be returned for trial here BUT the idea Judges are deciding on who should have their citizenship revoked or politicians are the ones making judicial decisions is just not the case (which @Nobby Cybergoat and @clapham_gull are suggesting).

anyway - this is NSC - who cares about the facts or the actual grounds of judicial rulings -

Please point me to where I've suggested that ?

 

[Questions]

Come on she was a mental kid who went on a mad road trip.

 

[Insel affe]

Come on she was a mental kid who went on a mad road trip.

Yeah, but no…

we have all been young and dumb, we have all done things we regret on excursions with our mates…

but I don’t recall any of my mates, killing people and chopping heads off folks for shits & giggles..

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

100% No.

 

[Questions]

Yeah, but no…

we have all been young and dumb, we have all done things we regret on excursions with our mates…

but I don’t recall any of my mates, killing people and chopping heads off folks for shits & giggles..

You should have hung round with my mob then.

 

[Insel affe]

You should have hung round with my mob then.

Really, you had a mob ?
what was your “mob” called ?
The Q-Tits ?

 

[clapham_gull]

Let's look at it another way.

An individual comes to UK, commits a crime and the Government attempts to deport them.

Unfortunately their country of origin has removed their citizenship and tells the UK Government, sorry guys we've ripped up their passport they are your problem now.

That's exactly what has happened here. Imagine how we look to the outside world ?

We're only lucky some higher authority can't dish out ASBOs.

 

[Questions]

Really, you had a mob ?
what was your “mob” called ?
The Q-Tits ?

We were tough… We were the mob with no name.We stormed in and took what we wanted. Not on Mondays obviously as that was bath night.

 

[clapham_gull]

Again, this is guesswork and hyperbole. What we do know is that the judiciary dismissed an appeal on this issue. Their reasons for doing so may be scrutinised in the future under FOIA requests, but for now there’s nothing more to be done.

The appeal failed in the basis the UK Government acted within its powers. But that's all irrelevant to my central point (as well as Rees Moggs).

She's clearly committed a crime, clearly needs to go to trial and prison and monitored for years.

But she's OUR problem not the other countries that the UK Government have attempted to dump her on.

Unfortunately there is a bit of the old colonial attitude going on and the UK thought those countries would simply roll over. They didn't.

We are becoming an international embarrassment.

I can't believe anyone has fallen for this nonsense regarding her being less of a threat abroad. I suspect on balance she isn't much of a threat at all, but is being used by the Government for PR purposes.

 

[Surport Local Team]

100% now move on!

 

[dangull]

In 1815 the British sent Napoleon to Saint Helena to live out the rest of his days after his final defeat on the battlefield.
I believe its still its still a British dependency. Maybe an option, and I don't think she is a danger to world peace as he was at the time.

 

[Zeberdi]

But she's OUR problem not the other countries that the UK Government have attempted to dump her on.

Well if bringing her home isn’t an option, I’m certainly not going to going to loose any sleep over letting a Russian and Iranian backed regime like the Syrian Government keep our homegrown ISIS terrorists since it was Syrian government’s fault in the first place that ISIS even exists.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

The appeal failed in the basis the UK Government acted within its powers. But that's all irrelevant to my central point (as well as Rees Moggs).

She's clearly committed a crime, clearly needs to go to trial and prison and monitored for years.

But she's OUR problem not the other countries that the UK Government have attempted to dump her on.

Unfortunately there is a bit of the old colonial attitude going on and the UK thought those countries would simply roll over. They didn't.

We are becoming an international embarrassment.

I can't believe anyone has fallen for this nonsense regarding her being less of a threat abroad. I suspect on balance she isn't much of a threat at all, but is being used by the Government for PR purposes.

More than anything else, just totally agree that it’s “our problem”.

the whole thing is posturing and sabre-rattling from a feeble government Trying to look strong.

 

[Crawley Dingo]

I don't think so to be honest. It's racist dog-whistle politics from a failing government.

How to post a conspiracy theory without actually calling it a conspiracy theory.