Shelvey & Dummett's red cards overturned

[whitelion]

Any action against Lansbury for his pathetic over reaction?

Shelvey still to face his charge for comments made

Needs a ban just for the dodgy hair do.

 

[Papa Lazarou]

Again, not wanting to go over old ground but I respectfully disagree. How else are you meant to 'play' a ball 4 feet in the air in the game of football without 'raising a boot' which obviously had studs on. Wait for it to come down? Not the game of football if you did.

We all know why it wasn't rescinded really - admitting an error that big, in a game that big, would have left them red faced.

And open to all sorts of legal challenges.

 

[Wilko]

Did we not try and appeal Murphy last season too when he clearly slipped and tripped a player up? Not overturned but Shelvey's is? **** off, talk about backing th big clubs.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Again, not wanting to go over old ground but I respectfully disagree. How else are you meant to 'play' a ball 4 feet in the air in the game of football without 'raising a boot' which obviously had studs on. Wait for it to come down? Not the game of football if you did.

We all know why it wasn't rescinded really - admitting an error that big, in a game that big, would have left them red faced.

It wasn't 4 feet up as Stephen's boot was never higher than waist height. Ramirez was injured when his shin came under Stephen's boot in any case.

 

[Nixonator]

Did we not try and appeal Murphy last season too when he clearly slipped and tripped a player up? Not overturned but Shelvey's is? **** off, talk about backing th big clubs.

Yes at Bolton, this is the one that riles me when I think comparitively.

 

[Wilko]

Any action against Lansbury for his pathetic over reaction?

It should be, it is his over reaction that made both decisions look far worse in real time. Cheating twot.

 

[portslade seagull]

This stinks. Lets look after the Premiership boys

 

[Tony Meolas Loan Spell]

It wasn't 4 feet up as Stephen's boot was never higher than waist height. Ramirez was injured when his shin came under Stephen's boot in any case.

Lets not forget Barton wasnt even retrospectively punished for his stamp on Beram either...

 

[Nixonator]

Are they MASSIVE enough to successfully appeal the result as well, or is that a luxury afforded only for shef wed?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Are they MASSIVE enough to successfully appeal the result as well, or is that a luxury afforded only for shef wed?

Some of their fans are demanding the match be replayed!!

 

[Geestar]

Are we still talking about Stephens...

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[Papa Lazarou]

Are we still talking about Stephens...

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Looks like we've moved onto Murphy now.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Genuine question for yourself and others as maybe I missed something. The Dummett one - he was last man, didn't touch the ball and his knee made clear contact with Lansbury's leg from behind?

I believe he would have got it rescinded because being the last man/denying a goal scoring opportunity is no longer a red card inside the box unless it is serious foul play (or hand ball on line) which it 100 percent wasn't.

Brought in this season, which is actually a very good rule change for once.

I could have just made that up completely.... but that would explain it

 

[Seasidesage]

I believe he would have got it rescinded because being the last man/denying a goal scoring opportunity is no long a red card inside the box unless it is serious foul play (or hand ball on line) which it 100 percent wasn't.

Brought in this season, which is actually a very good rule change for once.

I could have just made that up completely.... but that would explain it

This. It's no longer an automatic red card if a pen is awarded. There was contact but Lansbury played for that by stopping dead and waiting for the contact to go over. Shelvey? Both off or neither for me, they were both kicking out at each other. Still if nothing else it stopped the media describing it as a one horse race for a couple of weeks...

 

[Dick Swiveller]

I believe he would have got it rescinded because being the last man/denying a goal scoring opportunity is no longer a red card inside the box unless it is serious foul play (or hand ball on line) which it 100 percent wasn't.

Incorrect. It is not a red card if the referee believes a genuine attempt to play the ball was made. Pushing and pulling can still be punishable with a red. That is a long way from serious foul play.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36047575

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Incorrect. It is not a red card if the referee believes a genuine attempt to play the ball was made. Pushing and pulling can still be punishable with a red. That is a long way from serious foul play.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36047575

Fair enough- I assumed serious foul play was under the same as no attempt to play the ball.

Either way that was not a red.

 

[Dick Swiveller]

Fair enough- I assumed serious foul play was under the same as no attempt to play the ball.

Either way that was not a red.

From the FA

Where a player commits an offence against an opponent within their own penalty area which denies an opponent an obvious goal-scoring opportunity and the referee awards a penalty kick, the offending player is cautioned unless:
The offence is holding, pulling or pushing or
The offending player does not attempt to play the ball or there is no possibility for the player making the challenge to play the ball or
The offence is one which is punishable by a red card wherever it occurs on the field of play (e.g. serious foul play, violent conduct etc.)
In all the above circumstances the player is sent off.
Read more at http://www.thefa.com/football-rules...12---fouls-and-misconduct#f4RAQ52Ac3g903Uc.99

 

[Ernest]

Funny how Dermot Gallagher on SSN said they were correct decisions and quoted the laws and now some numpty says they were wrong. Both can't be right

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

From the FA

Where a player commits an offence against an opponent within their own penalty area which denies an opponent an obvious goal-scoring opportunity and the referee awards a penalty kick, the offending player is cautioned unless:
The offence is holding, pulling or pushing or
The offending player does not attempt to play the ball or there is no possibility for the player making the challenge to play the ball or
The offence is one which is punishable by a red card wherever it occurs on the field of play (e.g. serious foul play, violent conduct etc.)
In all the above circumstances the player is sent off.
Read more at http://www.thefa.com/football-rules...12---fouls-and-misconduct#f4RAQ52Ac3g903Uc.99

players committing accidental fouls that deny goal-scoring opportunities in the penalty area will not be automatically sent off, with a yellow card sufficient punishment.

I think you can say it was an accident

 

[BensGrandad]

No doubt Shelvey will get a 1 game ban for his other offences if found proved,