Shameful

[GT49er]

Boris is even challenging that view now.

Hmmm ...... nearly.


He can lie more convincingly (though not on tonight's performance) than Corbyn (who never actually lied (much) but just avoided ever coming down on one side or the other).

 

[Pevenseagull]

unprecedented times indeed

 

[NooBHA]

What they say over here about Trump applies equally to Johnson

"When you elect a clown expect a circus" - and that's exactly what you've got

Your analogy is a good one.

The only thing you didn't add was that the Electorate here married into that Circus Family.

 

[drew]

Will now be interesting to see what more evidence the press will bring out. Bit like watching 24 hours in Police Custody. Introduce one bit of evidence which get's the 'no comment' treatment then show the next bit which is irrefutable! If the press do have evidence, possibly photographic, of Cummings on the second trip then Johnson has boxed himself into a corner. Either he knows that Cummings went on a second trip and is banking on there being no evidence other than an old geezer alleging that he took down part of a number plate that he could have gotten from press reports of Cummings. Or Cummings has claimed the second trip never happened and Johnson is believing him. If the Police do investigate, there is no way Cummings could have travelled 260 miles without appearing on at least one CCTV camera. Either way, if there is evidence, then Johnson's support of Cummings is ****ed. Question will be whether by supporting Cummings he has alienated many in the party. There may well be only 8 or 9 sticking their heads over the parapet but they will all be considering how vulnerable Johnson now is and if they think he might go down then they won't want to go down with him, especially those in the cabinet with designs on the top job!

Only the stupid will argue that he didn't breach the guidelines on the first trip but Johnson will brazen that element out with spin. What he won't be able to do is spin their way out of evidence of the second trip.

 

[Hu_Camus]

Your analogy is a good one.

The only thing you didn't add was that the Electorate here married into that Circus Family.

Not really,....they just rejected Carbomb and the Ferengi bird. They'd also had nearly 4 years of 5th Column at the Cabinet table, and so enough was enough. Liebour has lost 4 elections on the bounce, so they are consistent. Fair dues to them though for sticking with a new leader who had twisted reality to give us 'Six months for renegotiation (BRINO, of course), after which said New Leader stated he would vote against it.
And the 'Peoples Vote' said NOT FEKKING LIKELY., mate - on your bike.
So we are where we are.

Quelle surprise !

 

[Danny Wilson Said]

I'm sorry - I didn't realise you were skint. The way you bang on about your lifestyle I imagined you were having it large. That makes a difference. In adversity we all scope around for solutions. I have nothing to offer you as I know nothing about Swedish society.

Here....we have a system....it is a bit shit but we thought we understood it....till now. We have never been lied to as much and as badly as recently, and there will be consequences.

As it happens, I took some interest in anarchy as a political philospohy at one point. I binned it when I realised it is the doctrine of dispair. You have to engage with the others because you can't exist in a hut in the woods on your own.

If by 'recently' you include the Brexit campaign, then I agree. But there's an 80-seat Tory majority. I would love to agree with you that there will be consequences but I'm losing faith. The establishment convinces people to vote against their own best interests time and time again.

 

[NooBHA]

Reality has been usurped by wokeness and PC bollocks. Here's a chap got a good grip on things in my view.@44 minutes in he nails why we are so antagonistic towards 'the other'. Start from the begining if you have the time.
Frankly, I see Cummings as a breath of fresh air, and I'll be glad if he rides it out. I am sick to the teeth of 'Gotcha' Politics and journalism, when in fact, the whole world is pondering what's the right thing to do, in unique circumstances....and every 'Sharon on Facebook' is now an expert epidemiologist, virologist, and Planning guru.Where no-one can do simple maths, and everyone thinks they will live forever, despite congenital or life-choice caused illness. I always thought 'Yes Minister' was a comedy, ....turns out it was a fekking instruction manual.

Sharon on Facebook doesn't need to be an Epidemiologist. Nor does she need to be a Virologist.

The Government themselves, inclusive of Cummings put into laymen's terms so that people with very little knowledge of these subjects how the virus is spread.

They made it easy for everyone to understand. They gave us simple instructions on the best way for all of us to keep ourselves as safe as we possibly could.

We all believed them . We followed their rules and regulations. It just transpires that the pain people were to feel emotionally in following those rules. The rule makers were exempt from that emotional pain.

I couldn't give a shite if he survives or not because the next one behind him will be full of that very same shite.

But don't blame little Sharon the newly qualified epidemiologist for getting things wrong. Blame her Tutors for not teaching her properly.

 

[Hu_Camus]

Don't take it personally , Sharon.

I'm sure if you had been in charge everything would have been honky-dory.
l take much comfort from your belief that all the world and their different strategies are over this calamity now, and that the time to draw final post-mortum conclusions is finally upon us.
You should garner many FB 'likes' with your proclaimations.
PS. Do let the WHO in on your expertise.

 

[Robdinho]

Don't take it personally , Sharon.

I'm sure if you had been in charge everything would have been honky-dory.
l take much comfort from your belief that all the world and their different strategies are over this calamity now, and that the time to draw final post-mortum conclusions is finally upon us.
You should garner many FB 'likes' with your proclaimations.
PS. Do let the WHO in on your expertise.

You are a tremendous example of the Dunning-Krueger effect in action

 

[Notters]

Someone I work with (IT within the NHS) came down with symptoms, as did his wife. They have a four year old daughter. Got tested which came back positive for them both. Do you know what they did? That's right, followed the Governments guidelines and self isolated in their house until recovered. Their nearest childcare option would've been like *******s, way up north, in Yorkshire. They didn't risk driving all that distance while either waiting for the results or after they got the results back. If they can, and many others who have had to, follow the guidance. Why can't he?

I actually looked into what we would have to do if both me and my wife became very ill, I. E. Hospitalised, at the same time, and it was pretty clear that you should call social services (not travel hundreds of miles to where our parents live).

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

Boris has always been an upper class prick, but I'd still rather him at the helm than Corbyn.

That's a nice little soundbite, but it's very very hard to see how it can be true

 

[Easy 10]

When you take into account population density is it a fair comparison? Don’t get me wrong, I think Johnson has been awful, but we are much more densely populated country than the USA and therefore everything else being even we would come off worse.

In terms of the % we have double the death rate of the USA. As an island, we should have had an advantage. We had every early warning sign from Italy and Spain as to what was sweeping the continent, yet we didn't close borders. We didn't test arriving passengers at airports, or impose quarantine. We didn't roll out widespread testing, which in turn meant we couldn't track and trace. We didn't initiate a lockdown until 2 months after the virus was here. We sent untested patients from hospitals straight into care homes to free up beds, resulting in thousands of deaths amongst our most vulnerable. We returned KNOWN covid patients back into care homes to free up beds (whilst Nightingale hospitals laid empty). We failed to provide frontline NHS staff with adequate PPE, which has directly resulted in deaths.

The list goes on, and I'm sure I've barely covered it. But when this crisis has passed, and an Inquiry is held into the handling of it by our nations leaders....oh boy.

 

[sydney]

In terms of the % we have double the death rate of the USA. As an island, we should have had an advantage. We had every early warning sign from Italy and Spain as to what was sweeping the continent, yet we didn't close borders. We didn't test arriving passengers at airports, or impose quarantine. We didn't roll out widespread testing, which in turn meant we couldn't track and trace. We didn't initiate a lockdown until 2 months after the virus was here. We sent untested patients from hospitals straight into care homes to free up beds, resulting in thousands of deaths amongst our most vulnerable. We returned KNOWN covid patients back into care homes to free up beds (whilst Nightingale hospitals laid empty). We failed to provide frontline NHS staff with adequate PPE, which has directly resulted in deaths.

The list goes on, and I'm sure I've barely covered it. But when this crisis has passed, and an Inquiry is held into the handling of it by our nations leaders....oh boy.

absolut clusterfukery......still 2 more weeks before arrivals from abroad will undergo 14 days compulsory isolation......it would make you think their policies are designed specifically to bemuse , confuse and irritate the public and or throw up ,a smoke screen to distract attention from whatever else they are up to behind the scenes......Nigel Farages recent foray into the channel with cameramen is a glaring indication of the gutless , piss weak governance on offer.....french navy escorting boats to our shores.....?? plane loads of asylum seekers being flow in from athens......i mean really...?? what the actual feck is happening to our island .

 

[NorthstandRacoon]

After the furlough scheme etc which has kept me job, I was supportive of the Governments approach, but after this, which has saved millions of people, I now feel ashamed.

I'm trying to be supportive but I just can't.

They've been a disgrace ever since, bar our Chancellor. It's been about the economy from day one, not about lives. I supported Johnson through this, even as an anti Tory voter, because I thought he had a tough job on his hands, but now I feel he's gone too far and now the Government have been exposed for the ineptitude on a huge level for this whole crisis and yet they still try to defend the indefensible and still don't answer questions properly, Gove I'm talking to you re schools being safe and I could go on. This is now a case of feeling shameful.

I hate the Mail, but even they for the first time ever, know this is a shitty move to say the least.

 

[Mental Lental]

There's some real trolling on this thread. Blatant poking of the bee's nest just to see what reaction they can get.

Mods need to step up.

 

[Juan Albion]

This Guardian opinion piece by John Crace is the usual good reading. Watched BJ's shambolic performance from this side of the pond and couldn't believe how low the old country has sunk.

"All that Boris really amounts to is a parasitical ball of compromised ambition fuelled by a viral overload of neediness and cowardice."

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/may/24/no-dignity-no-future-boris-forsakes-leadership-to-protect-cummings

 

[darkwolf666]

There's some real trolling on this thread. Blatant poking of the bee's nest just to see what reaction they can get.

Mods need to step up.

Agree, but it is quite easy to spot them, then simply put them on ignore...

 

[Bognor Seagull]

So boring reading about the left wing enclave of Brighton & Islington. Outside your little world in Sussex - true blue we all think Boris & co are doing a pretty decent job in difficult times.

Where’s your useless Kyle (always backs the wrong horse), the Greeny MP & the whiny thing from East Brighton? Probably all bunkered down in a North Laine Cafe planning their next moan - losers.

 

[darkwolf666]

So boring reading about the left wing enclave of Brighton & Islington. Outside your little world in Sussex - true blue we all think Boris & co are doing a pretty decent job in difficult times.

Where’s your useless Kyle (always backs the wrong horse), the Greeny MP & the whiny thing from East Brighton? Probably all bunkered down in a North Laine Cafe planning their next moan - losers.

 

[Palacefinder General]

So boring reading about the left wing enclave of Brighton & Islington. Outside your little world in Sussex - true blue we all think Boris & co are doing a pretty decent job in difficult times.

Where’s your useless Kyle (always backs the wrong horse), the Greeny MP & the whiny thing from East Brighton? Probably all bunkered down in a North Laine Cafe planning their next moan - losers.

How's life in Poland Regis these days?