Shaaban - Handling outside the box!!!

[parks]

Anyone else that notices this? I sit in B block and said only last week at the Withdean that he had seemed to handle the ball outside the box when kicking upfield on at least 4 occassions. So whilst at Plymouth I couldn't see if the free kick given for this was correct I suspect it was.

Anyone else noticed that, Someone needs to tell him before he gives away more!!

 

[Icy Gull]

Maybe someone could clarify the rules on this? Most keepers seem to release the ball just as they reach the edge of the box, but actually kick it when they are about a yard outside. I've always thought that that was fine, altough a number of people at Withdean are always harping on about kicking outside the box.

What is the rule??

 

[Beach Hut]

Rule is a keeper must not handle the ball outside the area.

Therefore the ball must be released from his hands in the area before kicking.

 

[Gully]

And following on from that Beach Hut, I would suggest that as long as the ball is released inside the area it doesn't matter if both it and the keeper are outside when he kicks it.

 

[timbha]

And following on from that Beach Hut, I would suggest that as long as the ball is released inside the area it doesn't matter if both it and the keeper are outside when he kicks it.

I don't see the point in trying to gain an extra yard or two given the distance they kick it anyway.

 

[Gullet]

Anyone else that notices this? I sit in B block and said only last week at the Withdean that he had seemed to handle the ball outside the box when kicking upfield on at least 4 occassions.

Kuipers does exactly the same thing week after week. (When he's playing that is).

 

[West Hoathly Seagull]

What is the semi-circle on the edge of the penalty area for? I have always wondered. Sorry if being dim, but is it not for the keeper to run into when kicking from his hands? Someone, please let me know

 

[Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo]

I think the semi circle on the edge of the pen box is to make sure all the players are at least the min distance from the ball when a pen is being taken.

 

[Seagull over NZ]

I thought Shaaban was poor on Saturday. Obviously at fault for the free kick but I also thought the second goal was his fault. Should have come off his line to get the ball, by the time Hinsh handballed it he was pretty much on the penalty spot.

He didn't appear to give his defenders any confidence on crosses, particularly long throws. he kept looking like he was comign then didn't. Much better to either come or not come at all, not halfway house, just worries his defenders.

 

[NMH]

No matter what the definition is of hand-football contact and release of same - it obviously isn't good to bait officials to levy rules, even if they are wrong.
Same goes for desparate diving tackles by defenders in the box in the hope that a first toe contact to the ball (before Klinnsman plays 'best man fall' as if shot by one of our Tommies) will get spotted by the intrepid man in black.

It ain't worth the few inches gained.

 

[NMH]

cue "mind you, I gained an inch or two going down inside the box"

 

[Dave the OAP]

I don't see the point in trying to gain an extra yard or two given the distance they kick it anyway.

Its is the same with fast bowlers ( or any bowlers really) who overstep the front crease line.

In all my many years of cricket, I was only ever "called" for a no-ball about 5 times, and I must have bowled 1000's of oversI never really saw the problem with keeping behind the line.

I assume it must be the same with goalies.

 

[pasty]

I think the semi circle on the edge of the pen box is to make sure all the players are at least the min distance from the ball when a pen is being taken.

You are indeed correct sir.

Anyway - I thought a 'keeper handling outside the box was an immediate straight red card nowadays?

 

[Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo]

You are indeed correct sir.

Anyway - I thought a 'keeper handling outside the box was an immediate straight red card nowadays?

Kuipers handled the ball outside the box earlier this season at Withdean and wasnt sent off, although in that case he did catch the ball in the area and his momentum carried him outside the box. I wasnt at the game against Plymouth so I dont know if Rami did the same thing or just ran out of the box and touched the ball with his hand. I think that the straight red still only applies if its a goal scoring chance being denied.

 

[jezzer]

Saw the goals on telly today and thought Shabaan looked awful. really missing Kuipers, he`s still the best goalkeeper we`ve ever had.

 

[plymouth nige]

I sit adjcent to the edge of the penalty area in the N Stand at Withdean, and we had the same conversation about how he comes to far out of his area to kick it.

I thought the whole defence yesterday were rubbish, it looked like they'd never played together before!
wcnige

 

[Wardy]

I recall this being discussed on TV recently. I think it was said that the complete movement of releasing and kicking the ball was classed as one. In the same way that when Henry took the ball of the keeper after he had relased it to kick, it is still classed as being the keepers ball, so even if they relase inside and then kick outside, it is handball.

 

[Icy Gull]

[B, so even if they relase inside and then kick outside, it is handball. [/B]

Are you sure about that? If you're right Kuipers makes an illegal kick (handball) everytime he kicks the ball from hand

 

[Lady Whistledown]

You are indeed correct sir.

Anyway - I thought a 'keeper handling outside the box was an immediate straight red card nowadays?

A keeper handling outside the box is only a straight red card if it denies an immediate goalscoring opportunity, ie they come racing out of their box to block a one on one and they instinctively put their hands up to stop the ball.

It's the same for any player- if you use your hands to stop a clear goalscoring opportunity, you get sent off. With outfield players, that only tends to happen if you stop a shot on the line...see below:


Rule 15 (2) (iv)
Deliberate Handball Denying Goalscoring Opportunity
A player who intentionally uses his hand to stop the ball, thus denying a clear goalscoring opportunity, shall be punished by being dismissed from the field of play, unless you are Clarke Carlisle and your manager has just bought the ref.

 

[Lady Whistledown]

As for the kicking thing, the ball MUST be released before you get out of the penalty box. It doesn't matter if the keeper's momentum takes him 5 yards outside the box on landing, as long as he releases the ball before it crosses the line.

As with all football laws, it's where the ball is that counts, as opposed to rugby for example, where if your foot touches the line, the ball is out of play.

In practice, it's fairly difficult to monitor, as the ball is in the air, and most keepers throw the ball forward slightly when they kick it, making it tricky to see where it was when released from the hands.

Most officials aren't that pedantic about it....