[Albion] Sending Off

[peterward]

If exactly the same happened to us (i.e webster was cancelo) we'd not be happy. Welbeck was cute, got his arm and shoulder across him......there was a tangle rather than obvious foul, maguire and Manure has gotten away with far worse.....but then again we all know the bias there.

like any typical footie fan, would be pissed if it was us, but as its them i'm fine with it!

 

[Uh_huh_him]

I would just add that Cancelo made damn sure that Welbeck wasn't in control of the ball.

A free Welbeck may well've been.

Imho.

Agreed.
In his current form he Cruff turns it a couple of times before megging Ederson to score.

 

[KeegansHairPiece]

If exactly the same happened to us (i.e webster was cancelo) we'd not be happy. Welbeck was cute, got his arm and shoulder across him......there was a tangle rather than obvious foul, maguire and Manure has gotten away with far worse.....but then again we all know the bias there.

like any typical footie fan, would be pissed if it was us, but as its them i'm fine with it!

Welbeck 'was cute' by getting in front of his man and using his body to stay there. New description of age old centre forward play for me on that one.

The tangle was because Cancelo found himself wrong side by misjudging the ball. Replays I don't think show what we saw in the ground, a fantastic ball played over, Welbeck reading it perfectly, Cancelo (who'd been roasted by Welbeck prior to that) panicking and missing the flight, he had lost his balance and momentum (which replays don't show) whereas Welbeck was in full flow. If Cancelo hadn't fouled him at that point, I think Welbeck would have been a meter or so clear of him given Cancelo had checked and Welbeck hadn't.

If a centre forward does what Cancelo did to a defender (i.e. the other way round) it is a foul every single time.

 

[JBizzle]

If it's a foul, it's a red card.

Was it a foul? Yes.

Therefore, red card

 

[Hampster Gull]

He pulled him down, or at least did enough to destabilise him as the last defender. Blatant red.

 

[Weststander]

Agreed.
In his current form he Crufts turns it a couple of times before megging Ederson to score.

Welbeck has pedigree.

 

[zefarelly]

Welbeck has pedigree.

Put Symply, yes

 

[studio150]

Thought it was harsh at time but even more so having seen replays. Just 2 players battling for the ball in a contact sport.

Officials are trained to use the following considerations when deciding whether an offense constitutes Denying an Obvious Goal Scoring Opportunity:

• Distance between the offense and the goal – Normally (but not exclusively), the nearer the goal when the offense occurs, the more likely an Obvious Goal Scoring Opportunity was denied.
• General direction of the play – ‘General direction towards the Opponents Goal’ is the main consideration here for officials
• Likelihood of keeping or gaining control of the ball – The more likelihood of controlling a ball (was played in front of them, within playing distance, easily controlled), the more likely an Obvious Goal Scoring Opportunity was denied.
• Location and number of defenders – If there is no more than one defender (a goalkeeper is classed as a defender) present when the offense occurs (provided they are not able to possess or control the ball before the attacker would have), normally this indicates a Goal Scoring Opportunity was denied. If there is more than one defender present in front of the attacker when the offense occurs, they must generally not be able to retreat or become part of the goal-scoring phase, in order for this consideration to be met.

All of these were met so a red card.

 

[Berty23]

I agree with what others say about Dublin. If it is a foul then it has to be a red. People talking about whether he has control is irrelevant. It is whether he would have got control of the ball and had a goal scoring chance. I can’t recall whether the wolves striker had even touched it yet before dunk hauled him down. If not then that is a perfect example where he would have had a shot so obvious red. If he did then imagine he didn’t and it was just a straight pass and it was a race wirh one winner, he doesn’t have it under control but soon will.

Possibly harsh giving a foul but you can put your arm across someone but you can’t then grab that arm. So all in all it was harsh but the right call.

 

[B-right-on]

Just 2 players battling for the ball in a contact sport.

But its not a 'contact sport' anymore is it? Look at Lamptey penalty he gave away where he literally placed his hand on the shoulder of the player infront who went down like he'd been pole axed. That was awarded as a penalty.

Yes there is 'some' contact but not the crunching tackles of 20+ years ago.

So in the modern game, was it a foul on Welbz or not? Harsh, not harsh is besides the point. Was it a foul? Yes = Red per the rules.

 

[Eeyore]

I hate players being sent off, whether for us or opposition. It just takes something from the game. When it happened I was looking for reasons why he shouldn't go but struggled under the letter of the law. All a bit unfortunate.

 

[Barnet Seagull]

Harsh in my view but you wouldnt say it was a clear and obvious error.

 

[SeagullinExile]

I wouldn't of complained if it was the other way around. Not sure why City fans are.

 

[dangull]

Anyone know what the injury was that caused Welbeck to be taken off?

 

[Arkwright]

Was it a foul? Yes.
Was the defender the last man? Yes.
Did the defender deny a goal scoring opportunity? Yes.
Decision, red card.

 

[mreprice]

Red for me too. If he does it in the box it’s a clear penalty. Softish, but given 9 times out of 10 and never overturned.

And if it’s a foul it’s a red. No other defender near them. Also pretty clear.

 

[Tony Towner's Fridge]

Cancelo royally screwed up (as analysed by TV pundits), so he fouled Welbeck in order that he couldn't get an attempt in on goal.

His furtive attempt to make it look like an innocent coming together of bodies, was seen for what it was.

A foul anywhere on the field of play and he prevented a goal scoring attempt.


A straight forward dismissal decision.

Importantly that is what the ref saw and also the VAR people/person. Must be a red as he pushed DW past the ball and denied him the opportunity to control the ball.

H2O under the bridge...we won..YES!!!!


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