[Albion] Scouting team sacked

[North of Robertsbridge]

Wonder if data negates need for old fashioned Barry and co watching with a bovril in the stands.

Ah, one of my favourite sports movies, Moneyball

Partly because I was sat in the bleachers in Oakland through that era

 

[portlock seagull]

There’s more to it than that. Time keeping, behaviour, attitude, team player, ability and willingness to learn/change, etc, etc can all be investigated and considered from observations, discussions with former team mates, etc. Face to face meetings are part of the process.

Yep, and all analysed as data.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Ah, one of my favourite sports movies, Moneyball

Partly because I was sat in the bleachers in Oakland through that era

Ten four, rubber duck.

 

[North of Robertsbridge]

Ah yes, “sorry old man, we don’t understand your banter”

 

[AmexRuislip]

I'm still perplexed as to what part of the algorithm selected Locadia
It couldn't have been for his DJ'ing or football skills.

 

[dazzer6666]

No dickheads would be a judgement made by the club after meeting with surely? Unless public domain like a Barton

You can a whole ton of relevant info before any actual meeting takes place…….one of the first things I did when hiring was find someone I trusted who knew the ‘target’ (or by extension, someone who knew someone) precisely to flush out any likely NDP troublers. It was always pretty easy, most industries are pretty small in real terms and it’s easy to find stuff out.

 

[Birdie Boy]

Yep, and all analysed as data.

Yep, analysed as data once the scout and coach etc have input the data into the software. Not everything will come from Opta etc.

 

[Justice]

That line stood out for me too. The stuff later in the article saying that Bloom thinks data is better than humans seems a stretch to make it more of a story.

Considering how many of our recruitment team have gone to other clubs - and how close some of our scouts may have been to them - perhaps we're just protecting our data and list of targets. We always say that everything is on a 'need to know basis' when looking at players but must be hard to prevent information from leaking out.

A fairly reliable source who gave me the news about Levi coming on loan says KDH was in the building and info was leaked, so you maybe near the mark here.

 

[Stumpy Tim]

Could also be that we're changing focus on geography. Maybe they feel South America has become too crowded so we're off to Africa or Asia.

 

[Couldn't Be Hyypia]

Indication fron TB that unless there is emergency no new players in nextg 2 windows. Plus I read U18s have there biggest ever squad. Maybe PB has pursuade TB that he should save money for 2 years

That's a leap, isn't it?

This is a non story that has only been given exposure because it can be tied to our often-talked-about recruiting process and obvious success.

What's really been said?

- three staff (probably scouts, though this article calls them "recruitment scouts" whatever that is) released. In a team of 5, 10, 200?
- they will be replaced.

The rest is two unnamed sources making unsupported and slightly snide comments. Possibly from the people being replaced since Brighton have declined to comment.

 

[Brovion]

I'm still perplexed as to what part of the algorithm selected Locadia
...

Ditto Jahanbakhsh (for example). Proof I guess that firstly it doesn't always work and secondly it's always being refined. Last season of course there was also Dahoud and Fati, but then we're not 100% sure if they were Recruitment recommends or on the insistence of De Zerbi.

Mind you signing the odd dud is a good thing. Makes other clubs thinks the system isn't all that it's cracked up to be!

 

[dazzer6666]

Ditto Jahanbakhsh (for example). Proof I guess that firstly it doesn't always work and secondly it's always being refined. Last season of course there was also Dahoud and Fati, but then we're not 100% sure if they were Recruitment recommends or on the insistence of De Zerbi.

Mind you signing the odd dud is a good thing. Makes other clubs thinks the system isn't all that it's cracked up to be!

The algo helps primarily with identification of targets….……..it doesn’t provide everything (NDP type stuff for example) or make a decision. That can go wrong once a human gets involved

No different to the Academy really. Kids can be identified as exceptional at any age (by scouts ironically as there’s little to no data ) but very few actually make it

 

[Hamilton]

Having read the article and thread I have reached the conclusion that this is something and nothing. Slow news weeks need stuff like this.

 

[Silverhatch]

An Athletic article (yesterday) highlights how scouting accreditation has got ‘complicated’ and how the protection of academy assets is now paramount to the big clubs. Perhaps Albion scouts are being declined access. Perhaps the traditional scouting model is no longer fit for purpose, especially if your club is comfortable with big data and bespoke analytics. Perhaps the next big ‘advantage’ is to refine and protect scouting processes so that data is safe?

 

[Not Andy Naylor]

A fairly reliable source who gave me the news about Levi coming on loan says KDH was in the building and info was leaked, so you maybe near the mark here.

And where KDH ended up tells you something about where it was leaked to.

 

[Hiheidi]

Brighton transfer database is so secretive their own scouts are BANNED from it

BRIGHTON have banned some of the club’s own scouts from seeing the data they use to sign players. SunSport has learned that such is the secrecy surrounding the data has helped propel Brighton…

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[dazzer6666]

Brighton transfer database is so secretive their own scouts are BANNED from it

BRIGHTON have banned some of the club’s own scouts from seeing the data they use to sign players. SunSport has learned that such is the secrecy surrounding the data has helped propel Brighton…

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Not even news really………anything is on a ‘need to know‘ basis where Starlizard/Jamestown are concerned……and a scout wouldn’t need to see all the data that identified a potential target to able to watch him and give an assessment. Arguably better if the scout actually hasn’t seen the data - will then be watching from an unbiased perspective (whether consciously or subconsciously)

 

[jcdenton08]

Not even news really………anything is on a ‘need to know‘ basis where Starlizard/Jamestown are concerned……and a scout wouldn’t need to see all the data that identified a potential target to able to watch him and give an assessment. Arguably better if the scout actually hasn’t seen the data - will then be watching from an unbiased perspective (whether consciously or subconsciously)

This, wouldn’t expect anything else, thought we all knew this. Jamestown consists of about three people

 

[RandyWanger]

AI has come for their jobs

 

[Commander]

AI has come for their jobs

At least it wasn't immigrants.