[Politics] Scotland

[studio150]

Let the Scots decide want they want to do, also along with Northern Ireland.

I only see Great Britain and the United Kingdom as something for a passport and the Olympic Games.

As a nation we seem to support almost every regions call for independence except for the one closer to home.

 

[Sirnormangall]

Whilst Scotland had a majority voting for remain, is it clear that the EU would accept them as an independent country? If not, what sort of independence would they be voting for or against in another referendum?

 

[BNthree]

Whilst Scotland had a majority voting for remain, is it clear that the EU would accept them as an independent country? If not, what sort of independence would they be voting for or against in another referendum?

Any country that has regions that want independence, such as Spain with Catalonia, won't support Scotland joining the EU as they'd be too concerned with setting a precedent.

 

[Lindfield by the Pond]

I wouldn't want them to go. I doubt the PM will give them another referendum in the immediate future.

I think if they got one they'd vote no.

If they voted yes, I'd be saddened but would respect the decision.

Surely there would be a 3rd neverendum, to make sure those who believed the £350m on the side of the bus from Northsea oil actually had a chance to see the deal?

 

[Pavilionaire]

Whilst Scotland had a majority voting for remain, is it clear that the EU would accept them as an independent country? If not, what sort of independence would they be voting for or against in another referendum?

The EU has said they would expect to be able to admit Scotland into the EU. A big issue is one of currency because Sturgeon has indicated she wouldn't switch to the Euro.

 

[fruitnveg]

I like Scotland and the Union, so i'll put that here first.

Allow them a referendum on the proviso that if they vote to stay, Holyrood is shut down permenantly. On pure numbers the tail wagging the dog here has to stop. If they want to go, then fine they go and I mean go. No using Sterling, no soft border, none of that Sh!t. If they want to stay, then they must stay and be satisfied with their decision. If Holyrood stays, the SNP angst will never go away. Allowing them a new referendum every 4-5 years is expensive and draining emotionally for everyone.

Also, how much of a hypocrite does Sturgeon want to be? You could rip her independce argument and replace it with a Brexit argument with next to no editing. She's all for Scotland being independent, but not the rest of us. **** off love.

 

[larus]

Reading some of the comments in this thread it is clear why many Scots want to be free of the condescending, patronising, controlling mentality exhibited by so many English people.

I don't buy the 'once in a generation' view on the frequency of independence referendums. Brexit is a gamechanger and it is clear the Scots want to remain, they back the SNP as a governing party and they've rejected English Toryism for decades with only 1 Tory MP out of 59 in Scotland. If we are to listen to 'the will of the people' over Brexit then we should do so over IndyRef2.

Scotland will be accorded respect as an independent nation in the EU that it is not accorded in the UK. 5 years ago I was pleased they voted to stay in the Union but now I hope they get their IndyRef2 and I hope this time they have the guts to vote for independence.

I think this is trumped by 62% Remain in the EU. If Holyrood calls for IndyRef2 then Boris should be a big man and give it to them. Who knows - stay in the UK might win again, and if it does Sturgeon's power base in Scotland is destabilised, opening the door for Boris to win back those 13 Tory seats he just lost and maybe a few more too.

That’s twice you’ve made a false statement. The Tories won 6 seats - not 1. Maybe you should concentrate on facts and less emotion. I realise you’re probably still drowning your sorrows from the remainer stuffing in the GE.

 

[Hugo Rune]

Reading some of the comments in this thread it is clear why many Scots want to be free of the condescending, patronising, controlling mentality exhibited by so many English people.

I don't buy the 'once in a generation' view on the frequency of independence referendums. Brexit is a gamechanger and it is clear the Scots want to remain, they back the SNP as a governing party and they've rejected English Toryism for decades with only 1 Tory MP out of 59 in Scotland. If we are to listen to 'the will of the people' over Brexit then we should do so over IndyRef2.

Scotland will be accorded respect as an independent nation in the EU that it is not accorded in the UK. 5 years ago I was pleased they voted to stay in the Union but now I hope they get their IndyRef2 and I hope this time they have the guts to vote for independence.

This.

Many Scottish voters went for remain in Indy1 because they thought it would take them decades and decades to get into the EU as an independent Country. I suspect they’d be back in the EU quicker than you could say ‘Boris has destroyed the Union’ now. That nationalism will spread to NI and while I’m an advocate of an independent Northern Ireland (or even a United Ireland), there will be blood split fairly quickly over there.

It’s not ‘if’ with Scotland, it’s ‘when’. How sad that Brexit has cost us the Union.

 

[Triggaaar]

As I said in my previous post, 62% Remain in the EU Referendum, returning SNP governments in successive elections and electing SNP in 48/59 seats in the GE coupled with another Tory trouncing north of the border clearly shows they don't like Boris or his policies and if they're electing SNP who have it written in if elected they'll seek IndyRef2 then that should be respected by the Tories.

Regardless of the 62% Remain, we're about to leave anyway. That's going to happen before it's possible for Scotland to go independent.

Yes the SNP have it in their manifesto that they'd seek another referendum, and the SNP (despite the Scots not wanting Tory rule, and despite the worst possible Labour leader) still got less than half the vote. 45% is good in first past the post terms, but not in referendum terms. So most people voted for parties that aren't looking for a referendum.

What you're suggesting is that as long as the Scots aren't keen on the Tories (which is forever) and vote for their local party, Scotland have independence referendums every few years until they eventually go independent. I don't think that's democracy.

 

[Triggaaar]

Let the Scots decide want they want to do, also along with Northern Ireland.

I only see Great Britain and the United Kingdom as something for a passport and the Olympic Games.

As a nation we seem to support almost every regions call for independence except for the one closer to home.

That would all make sense if it weren't for the fact the Scotland have just had a vote for independence. Please name me one other place in the world that we're supporting for independence, who've voted to not go independent in the last 10 years?

 

[Triggaaar]

Whilst Scotland had a majority voting for remain, is it clear that the EU would accept them as an independent country? If not, what sort of independence would they be voting for or against in another referendum?

I think we should make the independent (not give them the vote, but vote them out ourselves), and then we should apply to rejoin the EU. Then when Scotland applies, we should veto their application.

 

[GrizzlingGammon]

some number crunching

1.2 million votes for SNP in the election (only 45 per cent of the vote)

2 million votes to keep the union in 2014 ref

That's a higher percentage than voted the Tories back in to government.

52% leave.
43.6% want the Tory leave dream.

 

[Hamilton]

They deserve another election.

Voting has shown that they've been pretty clear that they want to stay in the EU and feel disenfranchised from the political mood of the country.

 

[beorhthelm]

The EU has said they would expect to be able to admit Scotland into the EU. A big issue is one of currency because Sturgeon has indicated she wouldn't switch to the Euro.

they would, assuming some countries step in to line, however there is a process. looking at 2-3 years to go through. the currency will easy to fudge, the scottish deficit is too large so they'll be given time to align.

 

[portlock seagull]

Let Scotland leave. £350 million per week in reparations. All Scots to leave England by following Burns night. Local byelaws reactivated to allow English archers to shoot a Scotsman after midnight within city walls. I have a dream banned from airwaves. Braveheart remade without historical inaccuracies (thereby shortening to just 10 mins), Proclaimers English ancestry to be exposed, haggis rightly declared unfit for human consumption, Japanese whisky imports made duty free and Sturgeon to commit to nationwide tour with the Krankies before allowed to join EU.

Those are our TERMS!

 

[RossyG]

We only need one term to derail the whole thing...

They can have independence only if Scottish nationalists Alan Cummings, Brian Cox (actor), Irvine Welsh and Sir Sean Connery live in Scotland forever.

 

[atfc village]

We only need one term to derail the whole thing...

They can have independence only if Scottish nationalists Alan Cummings, Brian Cox (actor), Irvine Welsh and Sir Sean Connery live in Scotland forever.

Not forgetting plastic Rod.

 

[Motogull]

I like Scotland and the Union too.

That sad, let them have another go. If they vote break up, we can negotiate the divorce terms, to include a payment from them. The new 'brexit' can become 'scuicide'. We can make them pay for a new wall. Nothing like Adrian's. Nicola's Wall sounds okay to me.

I have no idea why our PM is digging in. If they vote to go, there will be no SNP MPs. The Scottish lot have hit the blue majority in Westminster for many years. Putting a wall up deceases probabilities of no blue majorities.

 

[vagabond]

Please can we let them go. Sick to the back teeth of Jimmy Kranky. Just leave.

 

[osgood]

The SNP want to increase tension and bad feeling between the UK government and Scotland; a great deal of what they do is calculated with that end in mind - though not everything, especially security issues. Whatever the UK government do - whatever the make-up of that government - the nationalists will complain and object when they feel it suits them.

The best solution is to be polite and agreeable, but not to get drawn into pointless arguments that only exist for the SNP's political reasons. Wait and see what the result of the next Scottish parliament ary elections are in 2021: if it's a large victory for the SNP when standing on a platform of a new referendum, then probably it should be granted. If not, then probably not.

This , is the correct answer !