portlock seagull
Well-known member
- Jul 28, 2003
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Why couldn’t we? The pendulum is already swinging, more and more people are ‘getting it’? We just need to up the urgency. You can sit by and do nothing as is your prerogative. Or you can help in hundreds of small but enormously helpful ways that make a difference. It’s ironic our club motto is Stand or Fall when so many are prepared to Fall without even giving it a try. ‘Grandpa, what did you do in the war...?’ (‘Well, you see son, it was really dangerous and people were getting hurt plus we’d made a right balls of things to start with...so I wrote to my MP asking him to surrender whilst spreading gloom and defeatism to all my friends and neighbours’)
Sake, this is survival at stake here - when are people going to quit moaning about how hard it’s going to be? Is it that hard not to eat less meat? Not fly to Spain for just a weekend break? Not put pressure on friends and family to do the right thing instead of accepting there’s nothing we can do? I’m afraid I just can’t accept that, the story of our own club is a bloody lesson to all those who think that way ironically. I vividly remember all the mocking, delusional and derogatory remarks I had from people when I was handing out leaflets on the London Underground in the 90s, jumping on buses in Hangleton and knocking on doors in Patcham getting people to go out and vote during Falmer for All campaigns. You really aren’t going to persuade me otherwise my friend. Because it can be done, that’s the really exciting bit about it. Why not try and introduce some more changes yourself (sure you’re doing plenty already but there’s always a few more than are very easy to do)
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My god, you’re rebelling against planting trees?! What If the government says we all have to plant 1 in on front garden as legislation, or put solar panels on our roofs you’re going to ‘resist’?! That’s not ‘resistance’, that’s being a prize fool if we’re told the combined effect is reduction in C02 that prevents 3 degrees hotter leading to the collapse of agriculture. Then what you going to eat? Apart from the foot in your mouth! Honestly, this is why we need strong leadership akin to the past when we’re on a war footing. Because it will take far too long to get the consensus of people like you in the green debate. We’ve been trying for 40 years and it ain’t worked. People need saving from themselves, they really do. You need to get on with some of the actions we’ve been asked to do and stop arguing the toss over whether it’s happening and how hard it is for you to cut down on meat, let your kids walk or get the bus instead of giving them a lift everywhere, stop taking long haul holidays, stop buying plastic bottled products and all the many many many small actions we can all take that would make a massive difference collectively. Go speak to the residents of Paradise (those that weren’t incinerated that is) or Hull who 3 years later we’re still living in caravans because their houses flooded. And did you not see the map of the UK and the forecasted loss of Lincolnshire? That’s where most of our FOOD is grown. And if you don’t believe the sea will rise that soon or fast, go speak to Louisiana residents. Maybe you can pop into New Orleans whilst you’re there? Remember when they had a bit of heavy rain? It’s easy to discard but as I said, people like you literally need to be told what to do because you won’t do it otherwise. Hence why I really wouldn’t object to government banning more consumables or even e.g. rationing our air miles per citizen until non polluting alternatives become mainstream. Force us to all spend the weekend insulating our lofts and so forth. Make property developers build houses with solar panels as standard. So many things like this would help. Need a real sense of urgency. Anyway, I’ve ranted enough. You know what side of the fence I’m on and I encourage you to swallow your stubbornness and get on with actions.