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[NMH]

Yes, you're right, that's what this country needs, a good old bit of vigilanteism. That'll sort everything out. :thud:

Well you say that when it suits YOU, but it would make a right hypocrite out of you when someone steals from you and laughs in your face, or maybe molests your kids rapes your missus vandalizes your property etc, and the police don't/can't do anything about it or the law protects the crim.

THEN you'll change your sad tune

 

[NMH]

On the one hand I agree. Squatters ALWAYS claim they found the keys, or a window was open or a door unlocked or something becasue they know they'd be breaking the law otherwise. They must be lying some of the time.

On the other hand, does Stranmede Developments or whatever they're called sound like a hard-working guy trying to provide for his family or a big company gobbling up property to make money from renters?

So you sympathize with a small businessman, but as soon as he becomes more successful he's a bad man and it's okay to steal from him because he's a success?

Communist.

 

[sten_super]

Well you say that when it suits YOU, but it would make a right hypocrite out of you when someone steals from you and laughs in your face, or maybe molests your kids rapes your missus vandalizes your property etc, and the police don't/can't do anything about it or the law protects the crim.

THEN you'll change your sad tune

Rape and pillage is a bit different to occupying property though, isn't it? If someone vandalises my property it would certainly piss me off, but it would make me turn into some kind of hooligan and make me want to kick seven shades of shit out of them.

I'll let you know next time someone steals my bike (as someone inevitably will, this being Cambridge) and I become a hypocrite because I go on a muderous killing spree of every bike thief I can lay my hands on.

 

[Franks Wild Years]

Everyone's entitled to their own opinion where squatters and their rights are concerned. But anyone thinks there's justifcation in violence with weapons and cruelty to animals is a prick

Is the right answer.

 

[crasher]

So you sympathize with a small businessman, but as soon as he becomes more successful he's a bad man and it's okay to steal from him because he's a success?

Communist.

Thanks Comrade - I'll take that as compliment.

It is understandable that people have to make a living within the absurd late-capitalist world we have constructed for ourselves. So renting out a house would be one way of doing that, not good but understable.

But buying up houses en bloc and pushing up living costs for everyone is the worst kind of bourgeis-rentierism. I'd shoot 'em.

 

[Midikilledmydog]

where can the ' six strong gang ' be hired, I maybe able to put a bit of business their way dealing with spongers who think the word rent really means freebe

 

[BensGrandad]

It is all part of our now politicaly correct mamby pamby society that says that squatters and the like should have legal rights to occupy somebody elses house. Whether it is empty, unlocked or whatever, it is still owned by somebody and not those that are squatting. So how can they have a right to be there?

 

[keaton]

It is all part of our now politicaly correct mamby pamby society that says that squatters and the like should have legal rights to occupy somebody elses house. Whether it is empty, unlocked or whatever, it is still owned by somebody and not those that are squatting. So how can they have a right to be there?

Yeah because squatting's a new phenemenon isn't it? it came with all the gays and Albanians when New Labour took over, didn't it?

Laws regarding squatting date back to 1300s it's a foundation of English land law

 

[Franks Wild Years]

I can't believe the amount of people who think this sort of behaviour, from a gang of armed thugs, is acceptable. And to say that the opposite is part of our politicaly correct mamby pamby society is a f***ing joke.
I'm sure the 16th Century 'Diggers' and the servicemens families forced to squat after the second world war would feel comforted by your kind words.

 

[BensGrandad]

I am not condoning the use of 'thugs' to evict the squatters what I am saying is that society today allows too much and those squatters to my mind have no right whatsoever to be living rent free in somebiody elses property. The country niow is full of too many do gooders who say we can't do this and we can't do that because they, who are usually in the wrong, will be offended or inconvenienced.

 

[Nibble]

The law is fairly well on their side but there is absaloutly no law (to my knowledge) that says you can't use reasonable force to get someone out of your property. If you are physically strong enough to do it then crack on I say. So what if the "thugs" went a bit far. I bet most of those crusty little squatters come from nice middle class backgrounds anyway. Wonder how they would feel if Mummy and Daddy's new 4 bedroom house in Horsham was occupied by lowlifes and they couldn't get home for bath/money/food.

Sorry. In my opinion if you make a habit of breaking into other people's houses cos you "dont want to live by normal conventions" then you can't expect somebody not to try and get you out.

We'd all like to live rent free some of us have the dignity of paying our way in this cruel and rocky world of ours!

 

[sten_super]

I am not condoning the use of 'thugs' to evict the squatters what I am saying is that society today allows too much and those squatters to my mind have no right whatsoever to be living rent free in somebiody elses property. The country niow is full of too many do gooders who say we can't do this and we can't do that because they, who are usually in the wrong, will be offended or inconvenienced.

But as keaton has said, squatting is not a new phenomenon. If you are trying to say that we let them get away with it by not accepting that beating them up is a perfectly reasonable way to behave, then to be honest I'm quite glad that we live in the society that we now do!

The law is fairly well on their side but there is absaloutly no law (to my knowledge) that says you can't use reasonable force to get someone out of your property. If you are physically strong enough to do it then crack on I say. So what if the "thugs" went a bit far. I bet most of those crusty little squatters come from nice middle class backgrounds anyway. Wonder how they would feel if Mummy and Daddy's new 4 bedroom house in Horsham was occupied by lowlifes and they couldn't get home for bath/money/food.

Sorry. In my opinion if you make a habit of breaking into other people's houses cos you "dont want to live by normal conventions" then you can't expect somebody not to try and get you out.

We'd all like to live rent free some of us have the dignity of paying our way in this cruel and rocky world of ours!

I don't think going round with baseball bats constitutes 'reasonable force'. I don't agree with squatters rights, of course you should be able to have them removed, but you should be able to ring the police and they can come round and remove them, there is no excuse for vigilanteism when it comes to removing squatters!

 

[keaton]

But as Nibble pointed their middle-class so it's alright to beat them up for little reason.

 

[vulture]

f***ing burn the scroungers at the stake.C u n t s,they need a good kicking.

 

[NMH]

Thanks Comrade - I'll take that as compliment.

It is understandable that people have to make a living within the absurd late-capitalist world we have constructed for ourselves. So renting out a house would be one way of doing that, not good but understable.

But buying up houses en bloc and pushing up living costs for everyone is the worst kind of bourgeis-rentierism. I'd shoot 'em.

Well they ARE out there, and doing exactly that.
Got your gun ready? Are you up to your convictions?

Providing housing and asking a rent that is comparable to the local prices, and people who choose to live there agree on it by moving in...? That's the crime in your opinion?

If a rent is too high, I would suggest people not pay it. Simple as that. Shooting the property owner seems a tad unfair once you culpably agreed to his terms and signed the contract.

 

[Nibble]

I wasn't suggesting that baseball bats etc was reasonable force, nor do I condone that level of violence. I just think that squatters rights are ridiculous and I also wasn't suggesting beating middle classes up. My point is that I can see why someone would get so frustrated with them that they use force to remove them.

 

[Bevendean Hillbilly]

where can the ' six strong gang ' be hired, I maybe able to put a bit of business their way dealing with spongers who think the word rent really means freebe

Yeah, well the six strong gang appears to have evicted precisely nobody during this confrontation, so I suggest using a more effective rent-a-mob than this crew.

Squatting is only acceptable in properties that have been vacant or unclaimed for years, these knobbers who are in the back window the minute the house is left vacant claiming they "found the keys" outside are just freeloading rubbish that get away with murder. I don't condone violence, however when you are deliberately manipulating the law to invade someone elses property and then,very often, mistreat it with no intention of putting the damage right...live by the sword etc etc.

 

[crasher]

Shooting the property owner seems a tad unfair.

Cruel to be kind NMH. I'm an enlightened communist.

 

[Rangdo]

Did they not think that those keys might have belonged to the rightful owners? What gives them the right to assume that as they "found" those keys that it gives them rights to the house?

Don't take up a career in law enforcement. You'll believe any old yarn

 

[Billy the Fish]

I don't think going round with baseball bats constitutes 'reasonable force'. I don't agree with squatters rights, of course you should be able to have them removed, but you should be able to ring the police and they can come round and remove them, there is no excuse for vigilanteism when it comes to removing squatters!

So what's the alternative? Imagine a situation where people are occupying YOUR property and the police say that they can't remove them, where do you go from there? I agree that it isn't right to go beating people up but if that is your only option then what else can you do. The people that go through the courts in these cases have to wait months or years to regain control of their property, why bother to play by the rules when you can just force them off, it's what I'd do only I would've done the job properly.