[News] SAS ‘Death Squad’

[SeagullinExile]

If this is true, someone really needs to be held to account. Disgusting stuff, makes me ashamed to be British

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-62083196

 

[Charlies Shinpad]

The MOD have issued a statement saying that the matter was investigated fully and the BBC are jumping to unjustified conclusions.
Typical BBC

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[Icy Gull]

If only we could trust the BBC not to thrive on stirring things up and just report.

The opinionated point scoring by often aggressive presenters on Breakfast TV has made it unwatchable for me since the Covid outbreak. I always end up just turning it off once I've seen the headlines these days.

I would not be vaguely surprised if atrocities were committed by the SAS, it comes with the territory with every nationality who carry out covert operations from what I can deduce over the years.

 

[GOM]

If this is true, someone really needs to be held to account. Disgusting stuff, makes me ashamed to be British

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-62083196

So you've taken the default stance of being ashamed to be British despite prefacing your comment with 'if this is true'.

I think we will see this as a totally one sided program with the BBC being escorted around by the Taliban.
Another example of bashing our own for the sake of a 'sensational' program and giving the 'I'm ashamed to be British' crowd something to hang onto.

 

[GT49er]

So you've taken the default stance of being ashamed to be British despite prefacing your comment with 'if this is true'.

I think we will see this as a totally one sided program with the BBC being escorted around by the Taliban.
Another example of bashing our own for the sake of a 'sensational' program and giving the 'I'm ashamed to be British' crowd something to hang onto.

Well said.

 

[Baldseagull]

The MOD have issued a statement saying that the matter was investigated fully and the BBC are jumping to unjustified conclusions.
Typical BBC

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I don't see how describing the shootings as suspicious is jumping to a conclusion.

If the circumstances are factually correct, and suspects frequently grabbed weapons from behind furniture, you would think they might have learned to put oven mitts on the suspect or something, before asking them to search their own property?

 

[beorhthelm]

the journo this morning wouldnt go into details, insisting we'll have to watch his programme this evening. essentially TV clickbait, the programme seems as important as the report itself.

 

[Baldseagull]

So you've taken the default stance of being ashamed to be British despite prefacing your comment with 'if this is true'.

I think we will see this as a totally one sided program with the BBC being escorted around by the Taliban.
Another example of bashing our own for the sake of a 'sensational' program and giving the 'I'm ashamed to be British' crowd something to hang onto.

They read the reports of the SAS operatives and other UK forces testimony. Whilst ashamed to British might seem strong, if military daring and brave action is something that makes you feel proud to be British, why wouldn't summary execution of a captured and restrained suspect be something to be ashamed of?

 

[Baldseagull]

If only we could trust the BBC not to thrive on stirring things up and just report.

The opinionated point scoring by often aggressive presenters on Breakfast TV has made it unwatchable for me since the Covid outbreak. I always end up just turning it off once I've seen the headlines these days.

I would not be vaguely surprised if atrocities were committed by the SAS, it comes with the territory with every nationality who carry out covert operations from what I can deduce over the years.

But what should be done about it? Swept under the carpet, or exposed and punished?

 

[highflyer]

If only we could trust the BBC not to thrive on stirring things up and just report.

The opinionated point scoring by often aggressive presenters on Breakfast TV has made it unwatchable for me since the Covid outbreak. I always end up just turning it off once I've seen the headlines these days.

I would not be vaguely surprised if atrocities were committed by the SAS, it comes with the territory with every nationality who carry out covert operations from what I can deduce over the years.

If this is a Panorama programme, then that's a very different approach from breakfast TV presenters trying to provoke a reaction to get a story.
The legal issues alone will mean that whatever they have put out will have been carefully checked over and they will have given all parties involved the chance to comment and correct. I'd be very suprised if there was no substance to the claims.

That said, I agree with your final sentence. If, as a politician, you send people into conflict, don't expect everyone involved to act politely and follow the rules. Humans are humans. If you don't understand that then you shoudn't be in charge.

And why you should never start a war on the basis of a set of lies and a promise to that American guy that you desperately want to like you.

 

[SeagullinExile]

The usual faces defending this I see. The first to condemn Russian war crimes, but when it comes to some of our own...nothing to see here!

 

[Wardy's twin]

Without discussing whether the war was right or not we were at war and horrible things happen in war. These were British soldiers dropped into very hostile territory not knowing who was going to pull a gun and with split seconds to make decisions and where things could go wrong quickly. I suspect they shot first and asked questions later and that is how they survived. Planting weapons was probably the accounting paperwork which would not have been required in WW2 or Korea etc.

It is easy to take a moral stand when you are not there but the guys on the ground are often put into very difficult positions.

 

[SeagullinExile]

They read the reports of the SAS operatives and other UK forces testimony. Whilst ashamed to British might seem strong, if military daring and brave action is something that makes you feel proud to be British, why wouldn't summary execution of a captured and restrained suspect be something to be ashamed of?

Well said.

 

[highflyer]

the journo this morning wouldnt go into details, insisting we'll have to watch his programme this evening. essentially TV clickbait, the programme seems as important as the report itself.

The programme, and the information in it, will have been legally checked. This is pretty sensitive stuff, so I suspect they will want to be very careful not to get drawn into saying anything outside the boundaries of what they've put in the programme. Also, yes, they'll want people to watch the full programme and get the full story, with both sides, rather than rely on a summarised version in an interview, which inevitably will not provide the full picture.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Without discussing whether the war was right or not we were at war and horrible things happen in war. These were British soldiers dropped into very hostile territory not knowing who was going to pull a gun and with split seconds to make decisions and where things could go wrong quickly. I suspect they shot first and asked questions later and that is how they survived. Planting weapons was probably the accounting paperwork which would not have been required in WW2 or Korea etc.

It is easy to take a moral stand when you are not there but the guys on the ground are often put into very difficult positions.

You also cannot operate a legimate accountable armed forces without rules of engagement and rule of law. If you just say 'war is tough, bad things happen' and are unable to hold anyone to account, what would separate say the British armed forces from those of dictators?

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Without discussing whether the war was right or not we were at war and horrible things happen in war. These were British soldiers dropped into very hostile territory not knowing who was going to pull a gun and with split seconds to make decisions and where things could go wrong quickly. I suspect they shot first and asked questions later and that is how they survived. Planting weapons was probably the accounting paperwork which would not have been required in WW2 or Korea etc.

It is easy to take a moral stand when you are not there but the guys on the ground are often put into very difficult positions.

Hope you'd agree that they need to operate under certain legally-enforceable ground rules tho eh? Else you just end up with state-sponsored executions like the three IRA guys in Gibraltar in 1988 (Google 'Operation Flavius')

 

[Live by the sea]

So you've taken the default stance of being ashamed to be British despite prefacing your comment with 'if this is true'.

I think we will see this as a totally one sided program with the BBC being escorted around by the Taliban.
Another example of bashing our own for the sake of a 'sensational' program and giving the 'I'm ashamed to be British' crowd something to hang onto.

I agree . Nothings actually been proven yet . Saying that when you are operating in a country as dangerous as Afghanistan where people will kill you for simply questioning them ( bit like south London ! ) I wouldn’t be surprised about anything the SAS get up to however I would be very surprised if it wasn’t approved at the highest level .

 

[vegster]

So you've taken the default stance of being ashamed to be British despite prefacing your comment with 'if this is true'.

I think we will see this as a totally one sided program with the BBC being escorted around by the Taliban.
Another example of bashing our own for the sake of a 'sensational' program and giving the 'I'm ashamed to be British' crowd something to hang onto.

On the contrary, this sort of thing should be pointed out and investigated fully as the SAS are one of the things we are genuinely proud of, if they descend to the level of those we are fighting we become little better then our enemies.

 

[Live by the sea]

Hope you'd agree that they need to operate under certain legally-enforceable ground rules tho eh? Else you just end up with state-sponsored executions like the three IRA guys in Gibraltar in 1988 (Google 'Operation Flavius')

But that’s exactly what does happen in the real world , govts authorise killings in extreme circumstances to protect their national interests , not just British most foreign govts have had small numbers of people taken out over the last few decades . It still goes on but usually we don’t hear about it . It’s not just the countries you would expect either .

 

[Questions]

When a country goes into an illegal war then it all feels
Like murder to me.