[News] Sam Kerr (well someone had to)

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Met police officer in the family said if I were to call a black police officer, black and stupid it would be a hate crime. So this shows it is 2 tier.

If the boot were on the other foot (white police officer) it would be a hate crime.

It is not a 2 tier system.

(Whether the white policemen would be bothered to pursue the case is another matter. I suggest he/she should.).

 

[LamieRobertson]

Her reputation has been badly damaged in a few ways ….lets hope she does learn from this incident

 

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

sorry , didn't she call the copper a white ****...? an immensly popular term used by the didges here...? I genuinely heard she called the copper a white ****...?? is that incorrect ..?

No.

 

[jcdenton08]

Her reputation has been badly damaged in a few ways ….lets hope she does learn from this incident

And sets and example and apologises. Can’t see that happening though.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

That is the point I am making. I think racism is an incredibly grey area, that carries an enormous amount of historical baggage. A simple moral/ immoral or guilty/not guilty verdict, in this oarticular case, although performing a form of justice, may fail to do justice to the subject matter. I know, I know, a jury made the decision. But a verdict, either way, may add to a narrative of strictly opposing views. I don't that, as a society, that is helpful. However, Kerr might not care as she was found not guilty. She may care if she felt the PC was abusing his position on the basis if unconscious bias. I think, from what I have read, that that was her pisition. Apologies if that was not clear in my post.

Perceptions of racism is a grey area issue for many.

Racism is however not a grey area.

I will remind you of when and whether it was OK to give the missus a slap 50 years ago.
Back then, this was a grey area for men.
It was also a grey area for many women, strangely.

Sometimes its necessary to give one's head a wobble.

 

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

I think I can suggest a reason.

When they realized she is famous they probably perceived they risk being accused of letting off a famous person if they don't act.

They probably also considered that if the did act they would be accused of making a 'look at us' bid because she is famous.

At such a point, rational decision making goes out of the window.

An alternative explanation is common or garden fuckwittery.

The answer? We will never know.

I did wonder if the reason the officer later changed his stance was due to some sort of "review" of the whole incident

The officer refers to her as "little missy"
The officer refused to believe they called the emergency services in the cab. They did. There is a recording
The officer brought up the whole topic of "if the taxi driver was going to rape and kill you would he drive you here?"


I have absolutely no knowledge of police protocol but I'd be staggered if the officers performance wasn't reviewed from this. It's just such an odd interaction, even if you think the two people in front of you just smashed a taxi up.

 

[nickjhs]

Very uncomfortable with this decision. Sends so many wrong messages from how you can get away with abusing a cabbie (and how a cabbie can’t protect him/her self) to it’s ok to racially abuse a copper.

The problem lies with the charge. Had the charge been "is Sam Kerr an entitled piece of work who refused to pay a cab fee, vomited over and trashed the cab followed by drunkenly abusing a copper calmly doing his job whilst pouring lashings of I'm a multi-millionaire victim topping over the whole proceeding", the stupid cow would be banged to rights. Unfortunately, the jury was not asked to adjudicate on that. Instead, they were asked by "Judge Peter Lodder KC to assess the evidence and find whether she intended to cause Constable Lovell "harassment, alarm or distress" with her words" Unfortunately this is much harder to prove, although I have little doubt that had Lovell called her stupid and black he would have lost his job and been found guilty. Her reputation is temporarily torn but the media will let her get away with it and soon it will all be in the past. The double standard stinks, jut imagine if opposition supporters started chanting "stupid and black" at her.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

extremely well played by her brief......poc , lezzo , millionaire sports personality (role model) .....never gunna work was it....she's got out of it and the system let her by vilifying the Met.....70/30 split here in OZ in favour of a guilty verdict , not well liked , bad publicity for the country.

I thought you were referring to yourself for a moment, there

Most people in the UK have never heard of Kerr, and if they had, would have assumed (from her photo) she was white (she looks white) and English. Or Scottish.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

sorry , didn't she call the copper stupid and white ? that is, in itself racist and given that people are being locked up for 3 and a half years for hurry words in England to me this is double standards

No they are not.

FFS.

 

[Insel affe]

Most people in the UK have never heard of Kerr, and if they had, would have assumed (from her photo) she was white (she looks white) and English. Or Scottish.

Definitely not Welsh then...

 

[LamieRobertson]

If the boot were on the other foot (white police officer) it would be a hate crime.

It is not a 2 tier system.

(Whether the white policemen would be bothered to pursue the case is another matter. I suggest he/she should.).

I can see your point there Harry ..in that both are crimes ….but you talk about perception in another post and the ‘perception‘ for many is that there is a two tier system …you get people posting certain things on FB ..justice system moves faster than normal …..you get a now suspended labour councillor using a slit throat gesture against supposedly ‘far right‘ people and his trial isnt being heard until approximately a year after the incident….

I note your point re the officer and what he has the opportunity to do …then we have the taxi driver and the damage to his vehicle ..maybe he should as well….Kerr could of course offer to sort that bit out herself (if she hasnt already) ..i dont believe she should be ‘cancelled’ and she should have the chance to redeem herself …she has a heck of a lot of work to do on that count

 

[LamieRobertson]

No they are not.

FFS.

FFS?

 

[BadFish]

I did wonder if the reason the officer later changed his stance was due to some sort of "review" of the whole incident

The officer refers to her as "little missy"
The officer refused to believe they called the emergency services in the cab. They did. There is a recording
The officer brought up the whole topic of "if the taxi driver was going to rape and kill you would he drive you here?"


I have absolutely no knowledge of police protocol but I'd be staggered if the officers performance wasn't reviewed from this. It's just such an odd interaction, even if you think the two people in front of you just smashed a taxi up.

I would have thought police protocol includes making sure people feel heard.

 

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

I was thinking about this in a different way.

If I was being patronising to a female colleague at work and saying, for example, she would just get a promotion if she worked a bit harder, after years of her feeling like her gender had restricted her opportunities....and she said "you are being stupid and male" I wouldn't think that was her being sexist. I wouldn't be offended. Because the context was there. She is saying I'm being stupid and I am not understanding what she is facing because I am male so not subjected to her situation. That's with her sober as well, instead of, lets say, a team outing after a few drinks where people's censorship can drop slightly.

That would be her expressing (poorly and in an angry manner) that I do not understand the challenges she faces because I am not female.

Now, if the office just heard "she called him stupid and male" I have no doubt people would say "that's sexist. She can't use your gender in a derogatory manner" etc etc

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I can see your point there Harry ..in that both are crimes ….but you talk about perception in another post and the ‘perception‘ for many is that there is a two tier system …you get people posting certain things on FB ..justice system moves faster than normal …..you get a now suspended labour councillor using a slit throat gesture against supposedly ‘far right‘ people and his trial isnt being heard until approximately a year after the incident….

I note your point re the officer and what he has the opportunity to do …then we have the taxi driver and the damage to his vehicle ..maybe he should as well….Kerr could of course offer to sort that bit out herself (if she hasnt already) ..i dont believe she should be ‘cancelled’ and should have the chance to redeem herself …she has a heck of a lot of work to do on that count

I need to see a halle of a lot more evidence that that to start imagining we have a 2 tier system.

I am not even sure who is supposed to be in which tier.

And perception has never been something I dwell on. Unless i am thinking of standing for election ;-)

 

[nickjhs]

.70/30 split here in OZ in favour of a guilty verdict , not well liked , bad publicity for the country.

Nonsense, she won't face a suspension, the TV commentators will ignore her drunken, racist, entitled potty mouth, and the kids will still scream her name and sing the utterly embarrassingly banal Aussie Aussie Aussie at her. Anyone who says otherwise will not only be deemed racist but "un-Australian" as well

 

[LamieRobertson]

I need to see a halle of a lot more evidence that that to start imagining we have a 2 tier system.

I am not even sure who is supposed to be in which tier.

And perception has never been something I dwell on. Unless i am thinking of standing for election ;-)

Lol

You have to agree it’s not a good look and perception rightly or wrongly counts in todays ‘life …and tbh Harry there is other stuff out there you just won’t always find it on the bbc

PS ..u coming friday night ?

 

[BadFish]

i am reading that is likely she will return against us on March 2nd.

 

[LamieRobertson]

i am reading that is likely she will return against us on March 2nd.

Should have sobered up by then

 

[Questions]

I totally got what she meant by “stupid and white”
Court though ?