[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)

[peterward]

This one looks interesting

 

[driddles]

This one looks interesting

Russia announces successful testing of new dry ice machines, nothing to see here.

 

[peterward]

Russia announces successful testing of new dry ice machines, nothing to see here.

Can I order the one with the black smoke please!

 

[portslade seagull]

Hit 5 times according to Ukraine defence

 

[ChickenBaltiPie]

Kerch Bridge on fire…their defence is terrified!

 

[Eric the meek]

Hit 5 times according to Ukraine defence

Even if, by some chance, traffic is still able to cross the bridge, who will want to risk it when Ukraine can now hit it at will?

 

[Albion in the north]

Love that BHAFC played the "Kerch Bridge on fire" tune at the end of the match today.

 

[brighton_dave]

Love that BHAFC played the "Kerch Bridge on fire" tune at the end of the match today.

First time I've heard this. Quality and fitting following today's incident. Hopefully that was a warm up before it comes tumbling down....

 

[dangull]

Russia has a history of beating all opponents facing it. Even armed by the USA and nato countries, this much heralded offensive seems to be a faiure at the moment.

 

[The Andy Naylor Fan Club]

Russia has a history of beating all opponents facing it. Even armed by the USA and nato countries, this much heralded offensive seems to be a faiure at the moment.

You don't recall The Afghan war then?

 

[Triggaaar]

Russia has a history of beating all opponents facing it.

Like Afghanistan?

Even armed by the USA and nato countries, this much heralded offensive seems to be a faiure at the moment.

Give it time. This full invasion, being 18 months old, seems to be a failure doesn't it.

 

[driddles]

Russia has a history of beating all opponents facing it. Even armed by the USA and nato countries, this much heralded offensive seems to be a faiure at the moment.

In ground re-taken the counter offensive doesn't seem great... but Ukraine is regularly destroying russian held bridges, ammo stores, and command posts deep behind the line. It seems like if the Kerch bridge does get taken out completely the russian's are going to have one hell of a hard time getting supplies to Crimea and a vast part of temporarily occupied Ukraine.

 

[sparkie]

Russia has a history of beating all opponents facing it. Even armed by the USA and nato countries, this much heralded offensive seems to be a faiure at the moment.

The Russian-Japanese War of 1904-1905 ?

 

[peterward]

Russia has a history of beating all opponents facing it. Even armed by the USA and nato countries, this much heralded offensive seems to be a faiure at the moment.

Thats a ridiculously simplistic statement.

Russia beat the Nazis in huge part because of Russian winter, and almost certainly wouldn't have without US lend lease of hardware, and UK intelligence that handed them all of Germanys plans in advance.

As for Ukraine counter offensive, they are performing miracles right now.

No NATO country, not one, would even attempt to do what Ukraine is without deep strike capability or air superiority.... both of which were denied Ukraine who asked a year ago.

Russia is targeting civillian buildings, and 3rd world food supply, it isn't winning on battlefield.

It is NATO and mainly US who are moving and arming Ukraine at the speed of Shame, giving them enough to not lose but not enough to win decisively and in quantities (and lack of deep strike/air superiority) where US would never even contemplate an offensive, if it was them.

The US is trying to micro manage the war and result, to not let Ukraine win quickly or decisively, nor let Putin fall suddenly or dramatically. To slowly deflate balloon (boiled frog)

Jake Sullivan who is running the "collective Joe Biden" is both terrified of Escalation and of a sudden Russian collapse that could leave Russian nukes in uncertain hands.

It's laughable that anybody with the first idea of what's actually happening may suggest Ukraines counter offensive is a failure.

They're not right now, trying to take/hold territory in as much as take out Russian artillery hardware and cut logistics lines, they're succeeding at both. Probing attacks, invite artillery response, take out with counter battery fire. Destroy hardware and trench troops, with drones etc, then clear trenches and minefields.

They've drawn Russian reserves to plug holes where now Russia has little/no reserves left (from russian reporting), they're having to shift foces from one part of front,weakening it, to plug other parts. for Russia right now its precarious.

Ukraine is still only using 1 3rd of what it started with just 2 months ago, and has 2/3 of its fighting force still in reserve for main thrust once full attrition is done.

Ukraine is also having to go through heavily prepared defensive lines full of mines, (now most mined country in world) and mines/defencee that got laid months after Ukraine pleaded for tanks and west dithered, where they could have much easier got through.

This counter offensive will go down in legend, they are doing what's never been done massively under resourced without swathes of NATO standard force (being withheld).

NATO would win this easily and so would Ukraine if Washington wanted a decisive Ukrainian victory and equipped them for it.

Ukraine Will win, but the time and cost in blood much higher because we're months behind at every step.

 

[dangull]

Like Afghanistan?


Give it time. This full invasion, being 18 months old, seems to be a failure doesn't it.

The USSR held on to Afghanistan for a lot longer than than USA, NATO in trying to install a western democracy which ultimately failed.

 

[dangull]

The Russian-Japanese War of 1904-1905 ?

A minor conflict. Russia has never been known as a sea power.

 

[driddles]

Google maps has the bridge open and just a 37 minute journey to cross with no red area delays. I'd say it wasn't hit, or at least it wasn't damaged.

 

[Eric the meek]

Thata a ridiculously simplistic statement.

Russia beat the Nazis in huge part because of Russian winter, and almost certainly wouldn't have without US lend lease of hardware, and UK intelligence that handed them all of Germanys plans in advance.

As for Ukraine counter offensive, they are performing miracles right now.

No NATO country, not one, would even attempt to do what Ukraine is without deep strike capability or air superiority.... both of which were denied Ukraine who asked a year ago.

Russia is targeting civillian buildings, and 3rd world food supply, it isn't winning on battlefield.

It is NATO and mainly US who are moving and arming Ukraine at the speed of Shame, giving them enough to not lose but not enough to win decisively and in quantities (and lack of deep strike/air superiority) where US would never even contemplate an offensive, if it was them.

The US is trying to micro manage the war and result, to not let Ukraine win quickly or decisively, nor let Putin fall suddenly or dramatically. To slowly deflate balloon (boiled frog)

Jake Sullivan who is running the "collective Joe Biden" is both terrified of Escalation and of a sudden Russian collapse that could leave Russian nukes in uncertain hands.

It's laughable that anybody with the first idea of what's actually happening may suggest Ukraines counter offensive is a failure.

They're not right now, trying to take/hold territory in as much as take out Russian artillery hardware and cut logistics lines, they're succeeding at both. Probing attacks, invite artillery response, take out with counter battery fire. Destroy hardware and trench troops, with drones etc, then clear trenches and minefields.

They've drawn Russian reserves to plug holes where now Russia has little/no reserves left (from russian reporting), they're having to shift foces from one part of front,weakening it, to plug other parts. for Russia right now its precarious.

Ukraine is still only using 1 3rd of what it started with just 2 months ago, and has 2/3 of its fighting force still in reserve for main thrust once full attrition is done.

Ukraine is also having to go through heavily prepared defensive lines full of mines, (now most mined country in world) and mines/defencee that got laid months after Ukraine pleaded for tanks and west dithered, where they could have much easier got through.

This counter offensive will go down in legend, they are doing what's never been done massively under resourced without swathes of NATO standard force (being withheld).

NATO would win this easily and so would Ukraine if Washington wanted a decisive Ukrainian victory and equipped them for it.

Ukraine Will win, but the time and cost in blood much higher because we're months behind at every step.

Good post. I totally agree. It is unfortunate you felt the need to write it.

 

[Triggaaar]

The USSR held on to Afghanistan for a lot longer than than USA

Where did the US come into this? You said "Russia has a history of beating all opponents facing it." No they don't. Russia has never done anything impressive.

 

[Sirnormangall]

The USSR held on to Afghanistan for a lot longer than than USA, NATO in trying to install a western democracy which ultimately failed.

But Russia still lost.