beorhthelm
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- Jul 21, 2003
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unlikely Ukraine will be wasting resources with random shelling in the area reported when there are plenty of other viable targets. Russian false flag, watch for a new northern front.
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[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)
- Thread starter vegster
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unlikely Ukraine will be wasting resources with random shelling in the area reported when there are plenty of other viable targets. Russian false flag, watch for a new northern front.
Icy Gull
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The supply of long range missiles from the West will also cease if true
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That could be the reason it happened. Russians trying to blame Ukraine to stop the long range weapons being sent from the west.
BBC 'unable to verify'. Russia no doubt quite willing to despatch a few of its less important citizens to create a fake news story - they quite possibly shelled the place themselves.
Blue Valkyrie
Not seen such Bravery!
If it's a false flag it could well be the manufactured 'reason' to throw a nuke back.
Let's hope not.
Blue Valkyrie
Not seen such Bravery!
I see some BBC reporters are now banned from Russia.
Can't be long now before Rosenberg is kicked out.
Can't be long now before Rosenberg is kicked out.
Banning BBC reporters from Russia is entirely predictable. Their Tsar banned the truth eons ago.
I thought was a very reasonable and level headed assessment of the state of affairs in the war and what to expect going forward.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGnkISdIrz4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGnkISdIrz4
Blue Valkyrie
Not seen such Bravery!
Putin is piling everything he has into capturing Severodonetsk.
If he does this he can claim victory in pushing Ukraine out of all of Luhansk Oblast.
He can claim to have "liberated" the entire so-called Peoples' Republic of Luhansk.
Interesting that soldiers of the so-called Peoples' Republic of Donetsk are refusing to become cannon fodder outside Donetsk Oblast in Luhansk. Putin loves using the Luhansk and Donetsk soldiers as their casualties don't count in the official Russian death toll.
While this goes on a push by Ukraine to boot Russia out of Kherson Oblast north of Crimea has started. Vlad the Defiler is now so short of tanks he has had to send 50+ year old museum pieces to Kherson. Horse drawn gun carriages next
And 21 days later Putin still hasn't captured the rest of Luhansk.
Slow going Vladimir, best fire some more Generals !
Icy Gull
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This a very depressing and brutal read.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/edit...sedgntp&cvid=82a5a8f7e3c442fb821682baffcb1296
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/edit...sedgntp&cvid=82a5a8f7e3c442fb821682baffcb1296
crookie
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Indeed but IMHO the parallels are not so clear cut. I doubt anyone had even heard of Chechnya or Grozny before that conflict. I consider myself pretty well informed of world affairs but I hadn't. There was also a good chunk of Western goodwill towards Russia with the fairly recent fall of Communism. There is none now with Putins actions in Crimea, Syria and Salisbury amongst others. Despite some news fatigue most Western leaders seem determined to support Ukraine and ensure Russia isn't victorious. Chechnya had no such allies and was landlocked in the Russian Federation. Ukraine borders Europe and NATO. I may be wrong and it is going to be a long slog but I don't see many similarities myself
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Icy Gull
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The flattening of cities and the total disregard for civilian lives sounds pretty well identical to me. The final outcome may be different but the methods employed are jaw dropping and I've no doubt the aim remains exactly the same in Putin's sick head and if anything he is ramping the destruction up in his attempts to destroy Ukrainian moral and soldiers.
crookie
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Granted but few people really knew, and fewer cared what was going on in Chechnya. The whole world(assuming they have access to unbiased sources of info) can see what they are doing in Ukraine and as a result, in the free world at least, Russia will be a pariah for decades to come, they are shut off from everything, and hopefully sanctions come to bite properly. There were no consequences for what they did in chechnya, there are here. That's why I hope and believe the outcome will be different.
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crookie
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But yes I agree the flattening of cities is an abomination, they did the same in Syria too
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Icy Gull
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The lunatics have taken over the asylum
Just what does he think would happen to Russia if what he is saying happens?
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/worl...sedgntp&cvid=4f951f4d1c9c4e3f9d33cde8076a1bd9
Just what does he think would happen to Russia if what he is saying happens?
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/worl...sedgntp&cvid=4f951f4d1c9c4e3f9d33cde8076a1bd9
sydney
tinky ****in winky
does he not think that large areas of urban Russia may not be obliterated as well .?? effing mental that in the 21st century neanderthal ***** like this are controlling the planet .
Insel affe
HellBilly
Shopping centre hit by missile was very crowded in the central Ukrainian city of Kremenchuk.
https://twitter.com/olgatokariuk?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author
Absolutely disgusting attack, targeting civilians..
They just keeping sinking lower and lower.
https://twitter.com/olgatokariuk?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author
Absolutely disgusting attack, targeting civilians..
They just keeping sinking lower and lower.
Solid at the back
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Russia are really testing the resolve of the West. This is terrorism.
