[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)

[Triggaaar]

And to mention the contradiction that "Ukraine has the capability and capacity to do such a thing in Moscow"...but were so insignificant that Russia thought they'd get to Kyiv in 3 days

To be fair, they did get to Kyiv in 3 days, they just decided to leave again.

 

[peterward]

And (although I don't like it) the US might keep asking Ukraine to stop attacking Russian territory (refineries etc)...but I hope to goodness that Ukraine just keeps on doing it, and in fact increases the pressure.

Its as obscene a request as it is ridiculously selfish.

In 2001 a terrorist group flew aircraft into one building on US soil, as huge a tragedy as that was, they destroyed a high profile building and killed circa 3k

That was enough for USA to declare NATO art: 5 and full on invade the country housing those terrorists with all NATO allies assisting them.

It was also enough to full on invade Iraq who had no part in that event.

And Ukraine, who were the 3rd largest Nuclear power in the 1990's signed the Budapest Memorandum on the explict guarantee of protection from USA/UK/Russia though openly state it was the US guarantee that made them RELUCTANTLY give up their nukes, even then saying they were concerend Russia could attack again.

And now 30 years on When a terrorist state, hasnt just destroyed one building but raised towns and cities to the ground, killing 10's of thousands of civillians and US never sent any troops or physical presence, and also when when the US cannot break the impasse in their parliament to supply Ukrainains with the defensive needs they have promised throughout, a bare minimum of their 1994 promises............ Ukraine goes after the only thing it can in the financial source of Russias fascist genocide.

But Biden and his weak yes man Jake Sullivan dont like the Ukrainians potentially affecting fuel prices in an election year?

So they should just sit tight, defenceless, let their towns be destroyed and taken, women raped, men killed so it doesnt add 10c to US fuel costs?

Either back them properly or shut the f**k up.

I hope Ukraine smashes the Russian refineries

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

Its as obscene a request as it is ridiculously selfish.

In 2001 a terrorist group flew aircraft into one building on US soil, as huge a tragedy as that was, they destroyed a high profile building and killed circa 3k

That was enough for USA to declare NATO art: 5 and full on invade the country housing those terrorists with all NATO allies assisting them.

It was also enough to full on invade Iraq who had no part in that event.

And Ukraine, who were the 3rd largest Nuclear power in the 1990's signed the Budapest Memorandum on the explict guarantee of protection from USA/UK/Russia though openly state it was the US guarantee that made them RELUCTANTLY give up their nukes, even then saying they were concerend Russia could attack again.

And now 30 years on When a terrorist state, hasnt just destroyed one building but raised towns and cities to the ground, killing 10's of thousands of civillians and US never sent any troops or physical presence, and also when when the US cannot break the impasse in their parliament to supply Ukrainains with the defensive needs they have promised throughout, a bare minimum of their 1994 promises............ Ukraine goes after the only thing it can in the financial source of Russias fascist genocide.

But Biden and his weak yes man Jake Sullivan dont like the Ukrainians potentially affecting fuel prices in an election year?

So they should just sit tight, defenceless, let their towns be destroyed and taken, women raped, men killed so it doesnt add 10c to US fuel costs?

Either back them properly or shut the f**k up.

I hope Ukraine smashes the Russian refineries

Very well said

 

[raymondo]

Its as obscene a request as it is ridiculously selfish.

In 2001 a terrorist group flew aircraft into one building on US soil, as huge a tragedy as that was, they destroyed a high profile building and killed circa 3k

That was enough for USA to declare NATO art: 5 and full on invade the country housing those terrorists with all NATO allies assisting them.

It was also enough to full on invade Iraq who had no part in that event.

And Ukraine, who were the 3rd largest Nuclear power in the 1990's signed the Budapest Memorandum on the explict guarantee of protection from USA/UK/Russia though openly state it was the US guarantee that made them RELUCTANTLY give up their nukes, even then saying they were concerend Russia could attack again.

And now 30 years on When a terrorist state, hasnt just destroyed one building but raised towns and cities to the ground, killing 10's of thousands of civillians and US never sent any troops or physical presence, and also when when the US cannot break the impasse in their parliament to supply Ukrainains with the defensive needs they have promised throughout, a bare minimum of their 1994 promises............ Ukraine goes after the only thing it can in the financial source of Russias fascist genocide.

But Biden and his weak yes man Jake Sullivan dont like the Ukrainians potentially affecting fuel prices in an election year?

So they should just sit tight, defenceless, let their towns be destroyed and taken, women raped, men killed so it doesnt add 10c to US fuel costs?

Either back them properly or shut the f**k up.

I hope Ukraine smashes the Russian refineries

Perfectly stated .
The US is proving to be self serving and an inconsistent ally.

 

[raymondo]

 

[raymondo]

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/rheinmetall-gets-130-mln-eur-eu-funding-ramp-up-ammunition-capacity-2024-03-26/

 

[Eric the meek]

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/rheinmetall-gets-130-mln-eur-eu-funding-ramp-up-ammunition-capacity-2024-03-26/

I remember reading recently, that Rheinmetall has the capacity to make more shells than the whole of Russia.

 

[fly high]

To be fair, they did get to Kyiv in 3 days, they just decided to leave again.

Don't think they had too much choice in the matter.

 

[fly high]

Perfectly stated .
The US is proving to be self serving and an inconsistent ally.

In truth haven't they all ways been that.

 

[Nobby]

Its as obscene a request as it is ridiculously selfish.

In 2001 a terrorist group flew aircraft into one building on US soil, as huge a tragedy as that was, they destroyed a high profile building and killed circa 3k

That was enough for USA to declare NATO art: 5 and full on invade the country housing those terrorists with all NATO allies assisting them.

It was also enough to full on invade Iraq who had no part in that event.

And Ukraine, who were the 3rd largest Nuclear power in the 1990's signed the Budapest Memorandum on the explict guarantee of protection from USA/UK/Russia though openly state it was the US guarantee that made them RELUCTANTLY give up their nukes, even then saying they were concerend Russia could attack again.

And now 30 years on When a terrorist state, hasnt just destroyed one building but raised towns and cities to the ground, killing 10's of thousands of civillians and US never sent any troops or physical presence, and also when when the US cannot break the impasse in their parliament to supply Ukrainains with the defensive needs they have promised throughout, a bare minimum of their 1994 promises............ Ukraine goes after the only thing it can in the financial source of Russias fascist genocide.

But Biden and his weak yes man Jake Sullivan dont like the Ukrainians potentially affecting fuel prices in an election year?

So they should just sit tight, defenceless, let their towns be destroyed and taken, women raped, men killed so it doesnt add 10c to US fuel costs?

Either back them properly or shut the f**k up.

I hope Ukraine smashes the Russian refineries

Cowards, Appeasers and Traitors
They just need to read the history books from 1930 onwards, might give them some hints of what could happen

Oh and imbeciles

 

[raymondo]

Footage of a Russian fighter jet (Su-35) shot down over Sevastopol by Russia's own air defence, today I think (alleged, but they have history of being trigger happy ).

 

[raymondo]

I particularly like "...has handed over", i.e. not promised, or secured funding for, but HAS handed over . I hope that's right.

 

[raymondo]

I remember reading recently, that Rheinmetall has the capacity to make more shells than the whole of Russia.

And German manufacturing needs the business, as it's been faltering. Hopefully there'll be more business opportunities given to the German manufacturing base.

 

[fly high]

Footage of a Russian fighter jet (Su-35) shot down over Sevastopol by Russia's own air defence, today I think (alleged, but they have history of being trigger happy ).

Can't defend their oil refineries or ships but experts at shooting down their own plans, love it.

 

[raymondo]

Can't defend their oil refineries or ships but experts at shooting down their own plans, love it.

And...AND...Putin talked casually a few days ago (confident bluff is everything) about installing Pantsir air defence systems at each oil refinery to protect from the drones.
Go on then, Putin, move them away from the front lines. I'm sure a Ukrainian drone swarm could destroy these systems on the ground at oil refineries anyway. It's like Ukraine have Russia in 'check' on the chess board when it comes to refineries and air defence .

 

[Eric the meek]

'We are an alien hostile force - and we must finally realise this'

Do I detect an incoming charm offensive from Russian propagandist Olga Skabeyeva?



Edit: I think it is actually one of the other panellists who said 'we are an alien hostile force'. Olga, you're in the clear.

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[peterward]

Russia Knew About Crocus Attack in Advance, Ukraine’s HUR Chief Says

Kyrylo Budanov divulged intelligence indicating the Kremlin was aware of the routes through which the terrorists intended to enter Russia, raising questions as to why they were not stopped.

www.kyivpost.com

 

[raymondo]

Russia Knew About Crocus Attack in Advance, Ukraine’s HUR Chief Says

Kyrylo Budanov divulged intelligence indicating the Kremlin was aware of the routes through which the terrorists intended to enter Russia, raising questions as to why they were not stopped.

www.kyivpost.com

It's good that Ukraine has repelled the stupid Russian allegations in a number of media places - maybe some of the messages will be heard by Russians with a capacity to think.
And let's also remember that Lukashenko has stated clearly that the terrorists were heading toward Belarus.

 

[peterward]

It's good that Ukraine has repelled the stupid Russian allegations in a number of media places - maybe some of the messages will be heard by Russians with a capacity to think.
And let's also remember that Lukashenko has stated clearly that the terrorists were heading toward Belarus.

Also shows there are moles in Russian intelligence!

 

[Eric the meek]

Russia Knew About Crocus Attack in Advance, Ukraine’s HUR Chief Says

Kyrylo Budanov divulged intelligence indicating the Kremlin was aware of the routes through which the terrorists intended to enter Russia, raising questions as to why they were not stopped.

www.kyivpost.com

Yes, I read an unverified report that Russian intelligence knew in advance, and not just from the imprecise (if true) warning from the US. The theory was that they didn't think it was going to be as big as it turned out to be (with AK47s, whole building destroyed etc). This would explain the presence of a number of men in blue in the building, but why they couldn't/wouldn't/didn't stop it while it was in progress.

Edit: be mindful of the possibility that this is Ukraine/Budanov trying to destabilise the Kremlin regime and turn Russians against it. The shifting sands of war.