Rumour of player we are interested in

[Les Biehn]

I thought we were giving Crawley a wide berth due to the situation up there.

Maybe you're right, althought I'm sure I read that after it had all gone to shit there.

 

[Uncle Buck]

I would say it is worth banking on potential, surely that is the whole point of a youth policy.

Surely we will also get more for of the two if they are playing first team footbal in say a years time. If that keeper is sold we still have a decent one to replace him.

Also keepers do not tend to break through until later than outfield players. Carson is one of the younger keepers playing at the top level. So can you have 2 of the same age on the wage bill, yet neither seemingly ready to make the step up?

 

[Uncle Buck]

Without having much to do with it.

Anyway thats not the point, a season at Crawley would have been better than Dorchester.

But then Martin has been injured as well, so not much you can do about that.

 

[Les Biehn]

Also keepers do not tend to break through until later than outfield players. Carson is one of the younger keepers playing at the top level. So can you have 2 of the same age on the wage bill, yet neither seemingly ready to make the step up?

But if they aren't earning much and a loan club is paying part of their wages then surely its not a massive problem given what the club may make in selling them. Also one of them has to get their chance sometime soon, they have both been on the bench a few times.

I understand what you're saying though. It gonna be a tough one for DW.

 

[Dave the OAP]

Do you think the fans would BRAND him as a class keeper?

 

[Uncle Buck]

But if they aren't earning much and a loan club is paying part of their wages then surely its not a massive problem given what the club may make in selling them. Also one of them has to get their chance sometime soon, they have both been on the bench a few times.

I understand what you're saying though. It gonna be a tough one for DW.

I do question if you need 2 of them, even though they are not earning much.

Also you look at Flinders and he is only a year older, from what has been seen of Martin and Sullivan, are they in that class?

 

[Les Biehn]

I do question if you need 2 of them, even though they are not earning much.

Also you look at Flinders and he is only a year older, from what has been seen of Martin and Sullivan, are they in that class?

Who knows unless they get the chance. As you say he's only a year older so some keepers can be ready earlier.

 

[Uncle Buck]

Who knows unless they get the chance. As you say he's only a year older so some keepers can be ready earlier.

But he is not ready is he, that is why Palace are farming him out.

 

[Dave the OAP]

Do you think his favourite soup is OX TAIL?

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

I sort of see the plus points of releaseing him and the plus points of keeping him.

Not easy.

Personally I would release him.

 

[Uncle Buck]

Do you think his favourite soup is OX TAIL?

No.

 

[Les Biehn]

But he is not ready is he, that is why Palace are farming him out.

Hang on a minute, one minute keepers come through later, then Flinders proves that not all of them do and then Flinders isn't ready. A bit of LI type spin there UB.

Yes keepers tend to come through later, however as Flinders proves not all do, but it may be that he is only ready for league 1 not Championship yet. Each case has to be taken on its merits, the problem is neither of us work day in day out with the two young keepers so we don't know what stage they are at. However i would say that a keeper that Liverpool and Everton have shown interest in and another who has represented England are both worth keeeping hold of.

However I can see why you don't think so, given the information we have it really just comes down to personal opinion of how the club should play it.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

I sort of see the plus points of releaseing him and the plus points of keeping him.

Not easy.

Personally I would release him.

Martin that is

 

[Uncle Buck]

Hang on a minute, one minute keepers come through later, then Flinders proves that not all of them do and then Flinders isn't ready. A bit of LI type spin there UB.

Yes keepers tend to come through later, however as Flinders proves not all do, but it may be that he is only ready for league 1 not Championship yet. Each case has to be taken on its merits, the problem is neither of us work day in day out with the two young keepers so we don't know what stage they are at. However i would say that a keeper that Liverpool and Everton have shown interest in and another who has represented England are both worth keeeping hold of.

However I can see why you don't think so, given the information we have it really just comes down to personal opinion of how the club should play it.

So spin on it at all. Our young keepers have been deemed not ready, so one has been playing for a while in the Conference South and one in the stiffs.

Palace did play Flinders this season, but have also loaned him to Gillingham and us. But league clubs want Flinders, but no League 2 teams have shown an interest in our young keepers.

 

[Les Biehn]

So spin on it at all. Our young keepers have been deemed not ready, so one has been playing for a while in the Conference South and one in the stiffs.

Palace did play Flinders this season, but have also loaned him to Gillingham and us. But league clubs want Flinders, but no League 2 teams have shown an interest in our young keepers.

No they haven't. But a prem team has shown an interest in one of them and the other has represented England. Just because other teams haven't shown an interest doens't mean they won't make it or one of them won't be ready in a years time.

 

[Uncle Buck]

No they haven't. But a prem team has shown an interest in one of them and the other has represented England. Just because other teams haven't shown an interest doens't mean they won't make it or one of them won't be ready in a years time.

We shall see.

Everton did take a look at Martin, but they also sent him back to us.

 

[Les Biehn]

We shall see.

Everton did take a look at Martin, but they also sent him back to us.

True, but they did show interest in the first place.

All of this might be arbitrary if Wilkin's releases him anyway.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

So spin on it at all. Our young keepers have been deemed not ready, so one has been playing for a while in the Conference South and one in the stiffs.

Palace did play Flinders this season, but have also loaned him to Gillingham and us. But league clubs want Flinders, but no League 2 teams have shown an interest in our young keepers.

Martin was already out on loan by the start of the season wasnt he?

Didnt give a higher club much of a chance.
Also I shouldnt think the club would Loan out Sully all the time you had Hedo wanting a move, Kuipers wanting aa move, Kuipers injuried and Hendo on duty with Ireland.

 

[wallington seagull]

To me, I think they want Kuipers off the wage bill, a great shot stopper but distribution will always be his problem and managers look at this as much as they do on shot stopping ability. I think the best we could do would be to get Flinders on a season long loan.

 

[Theatre of Trees]

To me, I think they want Kuipers off the wage bill, a great shot stopper but distribution will always be his problem and managers look at this as much as they do on shot stopping ability.

Precisely and at the age he is I don't think Kuipers is going to improve.

I think what you find with keepers is that they mature a little later than outfield players and probably don't hit their peak until their 30s. There are exceptions to the rule and this depends on ther maturity and their ability to deal with what is a very exposed position as they are in the firing line and mistakes can cause them to be crucified by sections of fans. Some can deal with it at a young age others find it difficult until they mature as an adult.

Regarding the rumour, 26 for a keeper who has been playing regularly is not bad. Good keepers have tended to play in lower leagues in the past because there can only be one keeper playing at a time per club and sometimes playing regular games at any decent professional level can be more beneficial than sitting on the bench for an entire season or going out on the odd loan.

For younger keepers the loan system is a little more suitable allowing them to get a run of games but not always a whole season which leads me to wonder whether we'll keep both Martin and Sullivan and loan one of them out next season, perhaps keeping Martin this time and sending Sullivan out as the latter hasn't really had any experience yet.