Rules question re ref on Saturday

[Icy Gull]

When the ref went to stamp on the balloon and the ball bounced off him straight to a Bolton player who's shot was well saved by Koosh, I assume the goal would have stood if it had been scored. Question is, could the ref have blown up immediately and ordered a drop ball from where he diverted the ball? Are there rules re something like this?

 

[Herne Hill Seagull]

If I remember rightly, as far as the Laws are concerned the ref is considered part of the pitch. So yes, it would have stood. Don't think he had any reason to blow up - no infringement had occurred.

 

[Postman Pat]

When the ref went to stamp on the balloon and the ball bounced off him straight to a Bolton player who's shot was well saved by Koosh, I assume the goal would have stood if it had been scored. Question is, could the ref have blown up immediately and ordered a drop ball from where he diverted the ball? Are there rules re something like this?

It would have been a goal:
As per Law 9 of the game (Ball in and out of play), if during the game the ball hits the referee (or an assistant) there is no stoppage in play. However the officials would be expected to position themselves such that this would be unlikely to occur.

The ref is treated the same as a post or corner flag in this regard.

 

[shaolinpunk]

If that was how they scored the opener, the ref would almost certainly give every decision our way for the rest of the game!

 

[Badger]

Can't a referee stop the game at his discretion though?

 

[supaseagull]

When the ref went to stamp on the balloon and the ball bounced off him straight to a Bolton player who's shot was well saved by Koosh, I assume the goal would have stood if it had been scored. Question is, could the ref have blown up immediately and ordered a drop ball from where he diverted the ball? Are there rules re something like this?

I asked a qualified referee about this on Sunday.

The Laws of the Game state that a goal can be scored when the ball is in free play and deflected off any object that is on the pitch, otherwise goals that hit a post or a crossbar would not count.

If a player had a shot and it reflected from an opponent, match official or a bird (sorry it's the most obvious one I could think of), would it be fair for the scoring team to have their goal disallowed?

So, the answer is that if the referee have blown for a drop ball then he would have been in contravention of the Laws of the Game for stopping a clear goalscoring oppurtunity.

What the Law also states however, is that the referee must make every effort not to interfere with the flow of the game and so, his adjudicator at the match may tell him to reposition himself better so that he doesn't find himself in a similar position.

 

[Coach_Carter_92]

I was wondering that too, but then i remembered the inflatable ball incident when sunderland played liverpool a few years back, and that goal stood.

 

[Mellotron]

Very daft pass from Ince anyhow, was under no pressure whatsoever.

 

[Springal]

He would have been marked down for it, but no, nothing he can do. He is considered part of the pitch.

 

[The Large One]

Can't a referee stop the game at his discretion though?

He can - but what for, in this instance?

 

[Badger]

I was wondering that too, but then i remembered the inflatable ball incident when sunderland played liverpool a few years back, and that goal stood.

It was a Liverpool ball too, which made it even funnier!

 

[The Large One]

Very daft pass from Ince anyhow, was under no pressure whatsoever.

What?

He was playing it out to Ward, in some space, before the ref got in his way.

 

[glasfryn]

OK so what if
a player hits the ball towards the goal and it looks most likely to go in but half way there the ball bursts and the inner part goes into the goal and the outer goes over the bar
what would that be?

 

[Mellotron]

What?

He was playing it out to Ward, in some space, before the ref got in his way.

The ref was quite clearly in the way. Why make the pass? I thought Ince played well overall but everyone seems to be overlooking the fact he was definitely rushing things and overhitting passes quite regularly. He had plenty of space to move into before making a pass, and it nearly cost us a goal.

 

[Goldstone1976]

OK so what if
a player hits the ball towards the goal and it looks most likely to go in but half way there the ball bursts and the inner part goes into the goal and the outer goes over the bar
what would that be?

That would depend entirely on whether we were attacking or defending. *Nods*

 

[glasfryn]

That would depend entirely on whether we were attacking or defending. *Nods*

in other words you don't know

 

[maltaseagull]

I asked a qualified referee about this on Sunday.

The Laws of the Game state that a goal can be scored when the ball is in free play and deflected off any object that is on the pitch, otherwise goals that hit a post or a crossbar would not count.

If a player had a shot and it reflected from an opponent, match official or a bird (sorry it's the most obvious one I could think of), would it be fair for the scoring team to have their goal disallowed?

So, the answer is that if the referee have blown for a drop ball then he would have been in contravention of the Laws of the Game for stopping a clear goalscoring opportunity.

What the Law also states however, is that the referee must make every effort not to interfere with the flow of the game and so, his adjudicator at the match may tell him to reposition himself better so that he doesn't find himself in a similar position.

So,would he have to give himself a red card? Or would the assistant referee do it?

 

[Philzo-93]

When the ref went to stamp on the balloon and the ball bounced off him straight to a Bolton player who's shot was well saved by Koosh, I assume the goal would have stood if it had been scored. Question is, could the ref have blown up immediately and ordered a drop ball from where he diverted the ball? Are there rules re something like this?

The referee is part of the field of play and therefore, if a deflection is made by him and crosses the goal line then a goal is rewarded.

 

[Goldstone1976]

in other words you don't know

Exactly!

Mind you, I do know that I'd claim it as a goal if we were attacking, and not if we were defending.

 

[Dr. Notthenineo'clocknews]

anyone remember one of them Play For Today type thingys on TV late seventies/early eighties, set in the north (aren't they all?) about a sunday league team and the local kids in the area, at the end, the ref during the last minute of the match, flash backed to his own failed dreams as a player, headed a corner into the top of the net in spectacular style to score the winning goal, when confronted by the losing team he simply quoted the laws of the game as above.