Royalist or Republican: Poll

[leonidas]

SOD the Royals, as for Prince Charlie selling his own trees to HIMSELF and taking the cash...

Exactly.
The class system in operation.
Every one that works for the parasitic, upper class, imbecilic twat, is connected to the royal system in some way.
These people have been above the law for a thousand bloody years and we expect them to accept the rules that we live under in a decade.
No chance, Charlies man servent still wipes his willy for him and he still has a man that puts on his days clothing for him to make sure its not tiight and you and me pay for that .

 

[Cian]

i rather meant across the whole world. but I'd love to see a list of fully democractic states in Europe before World War II, i cant be bothered to look it up and reckon its pretty short. i do know of one in particular that didnt turn out too good though.

The "democratic, no monarchy" states in Western Europe in 1938 consisted of:

Ireland
France
Switzerland

And I believe thats it. Portugal was under military rule, Spain was facist, Germany - well, we know what happened there, ditto Italy, UK is and was a monarchy, Denmark/Holland/Belgium/Luxembourg, as above....

 

[Yorkie]

Exactly.
The class system in operation.
Every one that works for the parasitic, upper class, imbecilic twat, is connected to the royal system in some way.
These people have been above the law for a thousand bloody years and we expect them to accept the rules that we live under in a decade.
No chance, Charlies man servent still wipes his willy for him and he still has a man that puts on his days clothing for him to make sure its not tiight and you and me pay for that .

Prince Charles is not on the Civil List. His income comes from the Duchy of Cornwall. He also pays tax on that income.
The other point about the 'hangers on' is that only the Queen and her immediate family (apart from Charles) are on the Civil List.

 

[London Calling]

we've had this one before and Hampshire Dave put all the Prince Andrew jibes where they belonged.

Prince Andrew flew a helicopter as a target for Argie warships. Got no special treatment and asked for none. I know you really really don't want to hear that because it makes your chinless wonders argument look desperate and personal but the bloke fought for his country. You didn't. I'd say he's no chinless wonder in my book.


...and please stop trotting out the Germans argument. It's just racist crap.

That bollocks, whilst in the air, how seriously was he put at risk, nor one iota. The so called argie warships were no where near the falkland islands, our subs made sure of that. Look at the Franks report on the Belgrano, its possesses facts not Royalist propenganda.


Most people I know want to remove the Royals due to the fact no one should inherit the power of state, it is a sagte of creating a fairwer society, the costs of maintaining them in our society is irrelevant, but the wealth thay have obtained, the land they have required, the investments they have made with our cash, is not and that needs to come back to the state.

Its funny that once the Royalty would lead us in to battle and now they are left at home, covered in their ungained medals.

 

[London Calling]

Prince Charles is not on the Civil List. His income comes from the Duchy of Cornwall. He also pays tax on that income.
The other point about the 'hangers on' is that only the Queen and her immediate family (apart from Charles) are on the Civil List.

I am not sure that is a good agrument for maintaining the Monarchy.

The Duchy of Cornwall should not be owned by him. It is the worst example of medieval state.

 

[London Calling]

The Republic is in front. Lets now decide how in our democracy we remove the Royals, their power, their land and wealth.

 

[Yorkie]

I am not sure that is a good agrument for maintaining the Monarchy.

The Duchy of Cornwall should not be owned by him. It is the worst example of medieval state.

I didn't say that it was. I was saying that Charles is not a parasite. He has his own inherited land and income from the tenant farmers.

Anyone here inherited a house and/or land from their parents? Would you invest it in houses to let? When you die are you going to leave that to your children?
That's what has happened over a few hundred years.

I think there are elements of jealousy amongst the republicans.

 

[NMH]

Windsor Castle and Sandringham belong to the family (or rather her, because she is the heir in her family)
The rest of the residences Buck House, Balmoral, Holyrood House etc go with the job but actually belong to the state. Balmoral for example is leased.
The Royal Pavilion was a royal residence but Queen Vic didn't like it when she inherited so she sold it to the people of Brighton and bought Osborne House (Isle of Wight)with the proceeds.

I sailed past it a couple of weeks ago, and the lush green grass blanket down to the mini 'bay' beach looked very pleasant. How wonderful to take breakfast there on a summer morning. Tea in expensive china, warm scones with clotted cream and fruit confiture, and a tall glass of freshly squeezed fruit juice. Smoke a bowl of the best chemically un-treated cannabis, and kick a ball around with a few serfs before doing a bit of fishing, take a swim in the royal pool (exact temperature insisted upon) before a lounge for an hour or two with favourite concubines.

(singing) if I were a Royal, biddy biddy biddy biddy biddy bum etc

 

[Mr Banana]

I'm a staunch royalist. They're wonderful. Clutching my breast and roaring my love for the Queen at the Millennium Stadium was a moment which ranks amongst the proudest of my life. And I was reading something in the Sunday Mail last week which said they're great. Not sure exactly what it said, but it had some really big colour pictures so it must have been right.

I love the support the royals give to the armed forces and the vital role they continue to play in us winning the war in Iraq, in fact it already has been won (3-0) because it got rid of Saddam which was the only reason we went there. That country is safer than a safe in a safehouse.

I want Angels by Robbie Williams played at my funeral.

 

[London Calling]

I didn't say that it was. I was saying that Charles is not a parasite. He has his own inherited land and income from the tenant farmers.

Anyone here inherited a house and/or land from their parents? Would you invest it in houses to let? When you die are you going to leave that to your children?
That's what has happened over a few hundred years.

I think there are elements of jealousy amongst the republicans.

But he should not be in the posession of that land, stolen from the Original Cornish landowners. And as it happens the English (Normans) slaughtered thousands of Cornish people and banned their language etc.

It is s not (to me anyway) jealously, it is a stage in creating a fairer more egalatarian society and creating a society based on achievement and sharing and community not inherited power, wealth and state.

 

[dougdeep]

But he should not be in the posession of that land, stolen from the Original Cornish landowners. And as it happens the English (Normans) slaughtered thousands of Cornish people and banned their language etc.

It is s not (to me anyway) jealously, it is a stage in creating a fairer more egalatarian society and creating a society based on achievement and sharing and community not inherited power, wealth and state.

All possession is theft then?

 

[beorhthelm]

It is s not (to me anyway) jealously, it is a stage in creating a fairer more egalatarian society and creating a society based on achievement and sharing and community not inherited power, wealth and state.

so you or i shouldn't inherit anyting from our parents or grandparents? when you die, you will return all your wealth to the state to be redistributed? If its ok for us plebs then it has to be good for all level of society. Communism has been tried and hasnt worked out.

Here's a thought: would you support a monarch/hereditary chairman of the communist party? is it the inherited wealth or the perceived position of power that you object most to?

 

[Nemesis]

so you or i shouldn't inherit anyting from our parents or grandparents? when you die, you will return all your wealth to the state to be redistributed? If its ok for us plebs then it has to be good for all level of society.

Such a tired old argument from all in favour of the parasites.

Their inherited wealth wasn't originally paid for by doing an honest day's work-unless you count repression of the masses as an honest day's work?. I don't ever recall hearing about queenie's mortgage problems when the interest rates go up.....

Find me one piece of evidence of the parasites and their forefathers paying for any of their land and palaces and I'll agree that it should be passed on to their offspring....

 

[beorhthelm]

do you prpose we go back through the history of ever peice of land to establish the worthiness of its ownership and how it was aquired? how far do you want to go back, who owned the land in the first place? we are where we are, lets move on from here rather then draggin up tired old objections from the past. owning land is not parasitic, no matter how it was aquired.

and in fairness all that repression and fighting over the centuries has probably been quite tiring to all those involved

 

[Eggmundo]

Royalist.
Read the posts and still feel that this country is better with than without.
So UP YOURS REPUBLICAN SCUM. Go and live in France.

 

[Yorkie]

Such a tired old argument from all in favour of the parasites.

Their inherited wealth wasn't originally paid for by doing an honest day's work-unless you count repression of the masses as an honest day's work?. I don't ever recall hearing about queenie's mortgage problems when the interest rates go up.....

Find me one piece of evidence of the parasites and their forefathers paying for any of their land and palaces and I'll agree that it should be passed on to their offspring....

Where's the evidence that they repressed the masses? If you're going back to the Normans then it is well over 700 years.

 

[Nemesis]

Where's the evidence that they repressed the masses? If you're going back to the Normans then it is well over 700 years.

It doesn't matter how far back it happened...the point being that none of their properties have ever been paid for, acquired dubiously and these are the places being handed down....

As for evidence of royalty repressing the masses-maybe suppressing would be a better choice of words...

 

[Yorkie]

It doesn't matter how far back it happened...the point being that none of their properties have ever been paid for, acquired dubiously and these are the places being handed down....

As for evidence of royalty repressing the masses-maybe suppressing would be a better choice of words...

How do you know that NONE of their properties have ever been paid for? I had already posted that Osbourne House on the Isle of Wight was bought with the proceeds of the sale of the Royal Pavilion to the people of Brighton. Some properties were aquired through marriage.
If republicans can come up with a decent argument instead of trotting out dubius generalisations then I may be prepared to listen.

 

[Buzzer]

That bollocks, whilst in the air, how seriously was he put at risk, nor one iota. The so called argie warships were no where near the falkland islands, our subs made sure of that. Look at the Franks report on the Belgrano, its possesses facts not Royalist propenganda.


Most people I know want to remove the Royals due to the fact no one should inherit the power of state, it is a sagte of creating a fairwer society, the costs of maintaining them in our society is irrelevant, but the wealth thay have obtained, the land they have required, the investments they have made with our cash, is not and that needs to come back to the state.

Its funny that once the Royalty would lead us in to battle and now they are left at home, covered in their ungained medals.

Not bollocks. Unless Hampshire Dave's a liar. And I'd put his version of events way above the shite that you post.

...and what the hell has the Franks report got to say 1 way or another on Prince Andrew? I'll tell you - none. If that's the best you can do, I'd leave this debate now to people who can make cogent and RELEVANT statements.

 

[Cian]

How do you know that NONE of their properties have ever been paid for? I had already posted that Osbourne House on the Isle of Wight was bought with the proceeds of the sale of the Royal Pavilion to the people of Brighton. Some properties were aquired through marriage.
If republicans can come up with a decent argument instead of trotting out dubius generalisations then I may be prepared to listen.

Most of them were actually bought off Edward VIII due to him buggering off.