Roy Hodgson

[Guy Fawkes]

But by far our worst game was against Russia. Had they been sitting back against us they wouldn't have equalised would they? A second goal would have put them away. We dominated the game without our centre forward looking like scoring, nicked one from a set piece and then set back.

They were losing, of course it changes the Russian tactics, but we were still forcing them back for most of the game and they got lucky at the death with an undeserved equaliser. Their equaliser came from a free-kick so they had sent a few more forward for the set piece in the last couple of minutes because they knew they had nothing to lose at that point but everything to gain

I'd like to see the diamond with 2 up top. That would give is the best chance of playing our best players, Kane, Rashford, Sturridge and Vardy included (two starting and two from the bench. I don't understand why we've suddenly dropped it but I suspect it's because he's bottled it at the sight of a major tournament. But if you think I'm saying Roy should go then you haven't read the thread properly. I said he was AVERAGE. He'll do. He's ok. He's the "satisfactory" mark in a work appraisal. I actually said just before you quoted me that there isn't a better English manager, which is a sad indictment on our game and the FA's supposed development of it. Would Allerdyce be better? No. Would Klopp, Ranieri or Guardiola? Of course, but I even acknowledged you wouldn't tempt them from club football. We just have to accept that the current squad with the current manager is around about an out at the quarter final stage team.

We've been the best team by a long way in each of our fixtures, we've played well but failed to get the scorelines our performances merited. That happens in football (did we get the right scoreline for the 2nd leg of the play-offs against Sheffield Wednesday, or did they deserve the draw at half time / full time? - yes if you only base your assessment on the result only as you appear to)

Any of the other managers you mentioned may have ended up with the same results (or worse) because the players failed to take their chances in the game. The tactics are meaning we are dominating the fixtures in everything but scoreline.

The team on paper should be full of goals but we haven't been clinical enough when the chances arrived, is that the fault of the manager? is he telling them to shoot differently? or are they just faltering and failing to convert. The alternatives? drop / don't call up the best strikers we have in this country (because they haven't been scoring enough in this tournament) and call up who exactly? - players who have done very little all season? - there isn't a lot of depth in this country to pick from

Your best chance of winning knock out football is to be in the easiest part of the draw against the weaker sides from the group stage.

And who knew (seeing that we played first) that the draw would work out the way it has with Spain failing to top the group and ending up in our half of the draw?

Maybe playing against the better sides will suit us, they will come out and attack us because they too believe that they can win the game and it will leave more space for us to attack in and not face a team with 11 behind the ball for the vast majority of the game (which is what would have probably happened in the other half of the draw)

 

[Guy Fawkes]

I don't think it helps team morale when you pick the likes of Wilshire, who hadn't played all season and has been awful and lacking match practice.

What must the likes of Drinkwater think when his played pretty much every game in a Premiership winning side?

Rooney was our best player in the first two games and Roy drops him and Alli for Henderson and Wilshire who have had no recent club form at all.

I could understand this if it was Ronaldo or something but it isn't......


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If Rooney or Alli got injured, we would need to play Wilshire or Henderson in their place. Better to give them some game time and a chance to sharpen up / get or retain match fitness in a less meaningful fixture than for them to come in cold at a crucial point later in the tournament.

 

[Guy Fawkes]

I think what we can deduce is that its not a very good idea having Rooney off the pitch. Roy took him off v Russia, we lose control of a game we were cruising in, and end up conceding. Then Roy binned him for the Group decider, and with a badly (and predictably) misfiring Wilshire and a pedestrian Henderson, we fail to break down a limited Slovakia side. Even when he brought Rooney on, he pushed him too far forward out of desperation, right into the space Alli would usually occupy which forced him wide, and it all went to shit.

That's 4 points dropped, and its cost us the group. I'm not saying its ALL down to Rooney being off the field, but IMO it was definitely a large contributing factor in us losing those points. He had been one of our best players, and had settled into that deeper role extremely well. He was dictating play for us. Roy binned that off twice, and look whats happened. It wasn't broke, but he couldn't resist "fixing it".

And to think a lot of England fans were questioning even taking him to the tournament, demanding he should be dropped altogether.

 

[Napper]

Roy messed up.

Was a gamble and it back fired. Arrogant to think we could do that when work was still needed to win the group.

No issue with Vardy and Sturridge but you don't drop your stand out 2 players. Momentum is key.

Not playing Saturday is big kick in the nads. Now the fact that side of the draw looks easy an even bigger one.

Roy had a bad game v Russia with stupid subs , redeemed himself v Wales and has had an absolute howler v Slovakia

We prob would never win it but by not winning the group we've probably thrown away the best chance to get to a final we'll ever have.

Hang your head Roy.

 

[Lower West Stander]

If Rooney or Alli got injured, we would need to play Wilshire or Henderson in their place. Better to give them some game time and a chance to sharpen up / get or retain match fitness in a less meaningful fixture than for them to come in cold at a crucial point later in the tournament.

Rubbish

 

[Ernest]

At least it is guaranteed Hodgson will be SACKED when we EXIT , nobody can do a worse job in THREE tournament finals than this DULLARD has done, can't beat Costa Rica, Slovakia, Uruguay , Russia etc

 

[Stumpy Tim]

The highest ranked team are in the other half of the draw. Of the four big teams in our side of the draw - Germany, Italy, France and Spain, we can only play two of them. All this talk of those being in our half seems to suggest we have to beat all four teams.

I would be more annoyed if I was an Italian or a Spaniard to be honest

 

[hans kraay fan club]

The highest ranked team are in the other half of the draw. Of the four big teams in our side of the draw - Germany, Italy, France and Spain, we can only play two of them. All this talk of those being in our half seems to suggest we have to beat all four teams.

I would be more annoyed if I was an Italian or a Spaniard to be honest

The Spanish have no right being annoyed - its their own fault.

The Italians must be fuming at ours and Spain's cock ups, and wishing they hadn't won their group!

 

[Stumpy Tim]

The Spanish have no right being annoyed - its their own fault.

The Italians must be fuming at ours and Spain's cock ups, and wishing they hadn't won their group!

There are plenty of England fans annoyed, and you could say the same thing

 

[Betfair Bozo]

Apologies in advance as I haven't read the entire thread so it may have already been pointed out that Roy Hodgson is paid £3.5m per year to manage England. £3.5m per year! I would suggest that whoever negotiates the contracts for the FA might want to try a bit harder next time. I rather suspect that Hodgson might have accepted say, £2m per year, don't you?

 

[Simster]

At least it is guaranteed Hodgson will be SACKED when we EXIT , nobody can do a worse job in THREE tournament finals than this DULLARD has done, can't beat Costa Rica, Slovakia, Uruguay , Russia etc

Hmmm. All I keep thinking of when I see Roy Hodgson is that he is a modern day Bobby Robson - certainly too many mistakes but never-the-less an honest, decent man who could be a lot worse. Retrospectively Robson was considered in high regard, but some of us are old enough to remember him getting absolutely SLAUGHTERED by the press and public alike in 1986 - until he stumbled on the Beardsley/Lineker partnership. In hindsight, I think I will have far more time for RH than Sven or Capello. Sven stifled our best team in recent memory, Capello was clueless on how to get the best out of his players.

But let's just see how RH does in this tournament before judging him. I haven't anything from any other team that makes me think we'll get battered. Or at least, they've all proved to be fallible at some point...

 

[sydney]

This is where I started to laugh at you

the form he was in at the end of the season was not to be sniffed at.....but carry on laughing son....laughter is good for ya....

 

[Ernest]

Hmmm. All I keep thinking of when I see Roy Hodgson is that he is a modern day Bobby Robson - certainly too many mistakes but never-the-less an honest, decent man who could be a lot worse. Retrospectively Robson was considered in high regard, but some of us are old enough to remember him getting absolutely SLAUGHTERED by the press and public alike in 1986 - until he stumbled on the Beardsley/Lineker partnership. In hindsight, I think I will have far more time for RH than Sven or Capello. Sven stifled our best team in recent memory, Capello was clueless on how to get the best out of his players.

But let's just see how RH does in this tournament before judging him. I haven't anything from any other team that makes me think we'll get battered. Or at least, they've all proved to be fallible at some point...

I'd rather be BATTERED then go out on penalties after a 0-0 draw

 

[Guy Fawkes]

Rubbish

Roy said that he wanted to give everyone some game time in case they were needed later in the touney. So far the only ones yet to figure are the sub keepers John Stones and Ross Barkley.

Maybe, just maybe, in the past we have reached the bigger games and been knocked out due to sticking with the same line ups all the time and they have lost that freshness and this may just give us an edge in the later stages and (may help to) make the difference between progressing and failing. (but really it's down to if the players are good (/lucky) enough, and if we have selected our best players, and they give their all but ultimately they fail, is that the managers fault?)

 

[Guy Fawkes]

Apologies in advance as I haven't read the entire thread so it may have already been pointed out that Roy Hodgson is paid £3.5m per year to manage England. £3.5m per year! I would suggest that whoever negotiates the contracts for the FA might want to try a bit harder next time. I rather suspect that Hodgson might have accepted say, £2m per year, don't you?

£3.5m, Which is about one fifth of what Rooney gets paid and less that Capello got when in charge of England (Capello then got £7m a year in charge of Russia at the last World Cup)

 

[Betfair Bozo]

£3.5m, Which is about one fifth of what Rooney gets paid and less that Capello got when in charge of England (Capello then got £7m a year in charge of Russia at the last World Cup)

Capello was an Italian fellow that came for the money. Roy is an Englishman who had endured an atrocious spell with Liverpool and had done ok so far at WBA prior to getting the England job. Not in a million years did they need to go to £3.5m a year to get him.

 

[KingKev]

If Rooney or Alli got injured, we would need to play Wilshire or Henderson in their place. Better to give them some game time and a chance to sharpen up / get or retain match fitness in a less meaningful fixture than for them to come in cold at a crucial point later in the tournament.

If Henderson is the answer then it is not a sensible question - particularly when you've already got Dier (which ironically is an anagram of Henderson's 2nd half performance on Monday; didn't see the first half but I'm assuming he was at best 'combative' or 'energetic').

 

[Guy Fawkes]

Capello was an Italian fellow that came for the money. Roy is an Englishman who had endured an atrocious spell with Liverpool and had done ok so far at WBA prior to getting the England job. Not in a million years did they need to go to £3.5m a year to get him.

He was at Liverpool when they had boardroom troubles, they had an ownership battle raging so they were not providing transfer funds (who would if you could be forced out the next day and someone else gets the benefit of your money) They had their best players out injured.

Who would succeed in that circumstance? - If they had given him more time and once things had sort themselves out off the pitch, he could have proved a decent manager for Liverpool but when he joined it was a bit of a poisoned chalice and i think he would have been better off turning it down (the only reason to join during that period was because of their history / level of support and not their immediate potential)

 

[Mackenzie]

Apologies in advance as I haven't read the entire thread so it may have already been pointed out that Roy Hodgson is paid £3.5m per year to manage England. £3.5m per year! I would suggest that whoever negotiates the contracts for the FA might want to try a bit harder next time. I rather suspect that Hodgson might have accepted say, £2m per year, don't you?

My 11 year old sons appraisal on Roy's £3.5m wage "Why? Most the time he doesn't do anything, and when he does he's rubbish at it"

Fair enough.

 

[Worried Man Blues]

I often feel that the more you give to your employees you can justify giving to more to yourself!

Capello was an Italian fellow that came for the money. Roy is an Englishman who had endured an atrocious spell with Liverpool and had done ok so far at WBA prior to getting the England job. Not in a million years did they need to go to £3.5m a year to get him.