[Politics] Rishi sunak

[South west gull]

Thoughts on what the chancellor just announced to help us all on the cost of living crisis? Enough or need more help

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[beorhthelm]

£15bn in addition to £37bn (not sure about that part), is a lot either way.

it wont be enough for some, and more than necessary for others, could probably be better directed.

 

[Hamilton]

A Tory government raising taxes to historic levels. Who'd have thought it?

Rishi throws us all Johnson-deflecting bone.

 

[The Clamp]

Thoughts on what the chancellor just announced to help us all on the cost of living crisis? Enough or need more help

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From what I can see they have missed out on a sector. A sector that I belong to;

Those who pay a flat rate each month that includes all bills and council tax. I still pay for all these things but in a one off monthly payment.
I rent a small flat but my name is not on bills or council tax so even though I pay these bills I can get no help.

Now, so far the landlord hasn’t raised rent to cover his rising costs. As long as he doesn’t, then I’m fine. But if he does, he gets increased rent from me and the government hand out but I’ll get nothing except more costs and hardship.

I have expected a letter from the landlord for weeks now. It’s not a pleasant feeling.

As for the bigger picture? It’s a good start. Never going to be enough though.

 

[deletebeepbeepbeep]

I'm generally in support of not means testing public benefits, but bunging £300 to winter fuel allowance recipients, i.e. every single person over 65, seems to be completely shameless.

 

[Jim in the West]

I'm generally in support of not means testing public benefits, but bunging £300 to winter fuel allowance recipients, i.e. every single person over 65, seems to be completely shameless.

They are mostly Tory voters, after all.....

 

[dazzer6666]

No-win situation
Does nothing, gets slammed
Does something, it's not enough or it's too expensive

Some payments not being means-tested (as with some of the Covid handouts) is wrong IMO but I guess (again as with Covid) it's urgent and there isn't time to put in place the systems, processes and controls to have a fairer handout

Something else for BJ to deflect attention on to when he's asked if he's resigned yet I guess

 

[Jim in the West]

Not yet had a chance to read the detail, but it looks like energy companies are now massively incentivised to drill for new oil and gas from UK fields. From a Climate Change perspective this makes no sense. But obviously Rishi had to keep his mates happy somehow.

 

[Pavilionaire]

1. 9 days ago the Tory Government voted against labour's amendment for a windfall tax with a majority of 62. Now they've done a U-turn and brought it in. Absolute shambles. Try getting it right the first time - their political opponents called for this months ago.

2. And the day after the Sue Gray Report is published. Political expedience at its worst.

3. And it's been orchestrated to make Rishi - and not Boris - look like the good guy. Presumably part of a price Johnson is paying to rehabilitate Sunak after his unlucky Fixed Penalty Notice and the wife's taxes scandal a couple of weeks ago.

 

[beorhthelm]

Not yet had a chance to read the detail, but it looks like energy companies are now massively incentivised to drill for new oil and gas from UK fields. From a Climate Change perspective this makes no sense. But obviously Rishi had to keep his mates happy somehow.

they just got taxed 25% more so what incentive?
raise a point though, if we have more flexible approach to gas extraction we'd have cheaper energy. its expensive due to policy.

 

[Live by the sea]

I am pleased the govt are doing something to help people and yes they could have gone further but I’m not convinced Labour would have been any more generous in their help . 7 /10 for the govt .

The worst Tory govt since Thatcher but there still isn’t really a viable alternative. Hopefully Kier will clean out all the extreme socialist worker types from Labour and then the party will be be middle ground and more electable .

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I'm generally in support of not means testing public benefits, but bunging £300 to winter fuel allowance recipients, i.e. every single person over 65, seems to be completely shameless.

Socialism is supposedly 'to each according to need' (and from each according to means).

Sunak conservatism appear to be 'to some people, according to age alone, regardless of need or means'. Bonkers.

 

[Giraffe]

I don't think I'd have ever expected the level of support that the Conservatives gave during Covid, far more than was probably needed (in hindsight) and now these amounts. It is quite an extraordinary level of support when you consider it against historical levels of support provided any previous Government of any political party.

 

[BBassic]

1. 9 days ago the Tory Government voted against labour's amendment for a windfall tax with a majority of 62. Now they've done a U-turn and brought it in. Absolute shambles. Try getting it right the first time - their political opponents called for this months ago.

2. And the day after the Sue Gray Report is published. Political expedience at its worst.

3. And it's been orchestrated to make Rishi - and not Boris - look like the good guy. Presumably part of a price Johnson is paying to rehabilitate Sunak after his unlucky Fixed Penalty Notice and the wife's taxes scandal a couple of weeks ago.

And you can absolutely guarantee they'll be crowing about how they're making the right choices for the British people, treating the entire thing as if it isn't yet another U-turn.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I am pleased the govt are doing something to help people and yes they could have gone further but I’m not convinced Labour would have been any more generous in their help . 7 /10 for the govt .

The worst Tory govt since Thatcher but there still isn’t really a viable alternative. Hopefully Kier will clean out all the extreme socialist worker types from Labour and then the party will be be middle ground and more electable .

They have always been there and always will. Just like the racist gammon element in the tory party.

The issue is whether or not the leadership can keep them quiet.

Blair was able to do so easily (more easily than he imagined, or even perhaps realized).

Now the likes of Abbott have declated war on Starmer (she thinks he should resign now over the beer incident) Starmer's position is stronger.

Meanwhile in the tory party, the leadership has been hijacked by Mr 'will say or do anything to stay in power'.

I think the choice is glaringly and abundantly clear

 

[The Clamp]

I am pleased the govt are doing something to help people and yes they could have gone further but I’m not convinced Labour would have been any more generous in their help . 7 /10 for the govt .

The worst Tory govt since Thatcher but there still isn’t really a viable alternative. Hopefully Kier will clean out all the extreme socialist worker types from Labour and then the party will be be middle ground and more electable .

You seriously don’t think Labour or Lib Dems are more viable than this government? Jeez.

As for Sinai’s plan? Looks like a lot of help going to boomers and the unemployed and not much for the low paid, hard working, working classes. As per.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I don't think I'd have ever expected the level of support that the Conservatives gave during Covid, far more than was probably needed (in hindsight) and now these amounts. It is quite an extraordinary level of support when you consider it against historical levels of support provided any previous Government of any political party.

Correct.

We are being bribed - with our own money.

This is the strategy of National Socialism.

 

[GT49er]

I'm generally in support of not means testing public benefits, but bunging £300 to winter fuel allowance recipients, i.e. every single person over 65, seems to be completely shameless.

Not shameless, but inefficient. Funds could be used better.

They are mostly Tory voters, after all.....

Except the millions who have been life-long Labour voters, and still are. What with lockdown payments, the furlough scheme, and now these measures, Sunak is turning out to be probably the most socialist Chancellor we've ever had! Certainly in my lifetime ...............

No-win situation
Does nothing, gets slammed
Does something, it's not enough or it's too expensive

Some payments not being means-tested (as with some of the Covid handouts) is wrong IMO but I guess (again as with Covid) it's urgent and there isn't time to put in place the systems, processes and controls to have a fairer handout.

Not actually that difficult. Just pay it to those pensioners who already recieve other (means tested or disabiity related) welfare benefits in addition to the old age pension.

 

[Jim in the West]

they just got taxed 25% more so what incentive?
raise a point though, if we have more flexible approach to gas extraction we'd have cheaper energy. its expensive due to policy.

The incentive is that the extractors can mitigate the additional tax by extracting more (as long as it's from UK oil/gas fields). Oil and Gas prices are set by the worldwide market, so our own policies won't do much for the overall price. And as long as we continue NOT to insulate our homes the demand stays the same.

I'm not saying Rishi's announcement isn't good news - just that the underlying problem needs fixing (and you don't fix it by incentivising MORE drilling for oil and gas).

 

[clapham_gull]

I don't think I'd have ever expected the level of support that the Conservatives gave during Covid, far more than was probably needed (in hindsight) and now these amounts. It is quite an extraordinary level of support when you consider it against historical levels of support provided any previous Government of any political party.

You clearly didn't live in London under Boris. He loves throwing money at a problem.