Mayonaise
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[Football] Right then. After that demonstration... VAR? Yes or No?
- Thread starter SweatyMexican
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That always irritates me. It's deliberate wilful ignorance. This need to be spoonfed everything in ways that we never used to, not when the ref would go have a word with the lino or the fourth official. It has never mattered what they were saying to each other, just the final decision. Same applies with VAR, imo.
METALMICKY
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- Jan 30, 2004
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Just a quick query about VAR and penalties that are scored directly. Are they routinely checking them for encroachment and the position of the keeper? I bet they are not. They will only look at when the kick is saved and/or there is a rebound situation where encroachment has benefitted one of the teams.
They routinely check every goal, so they should be checking for encroachment. The position of the goalkeeper is left to onfield officials (in response to the criticism of the use of VAR for that during the women's world cup).
Tom Hark Preston Park
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- Jul 6, 2003
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The amount of encroachment for the penalty was ridiculous. Even so, doubt the officials would have flagged anything amiss without VAR. Which gave us a second bite at the cherry. FerretFace might not have stuck the second one away.
The PL VAR guidelines say that VAR will only intervene on encroachment by players if it has a "direct impact on the outcome of the kick".
https://www.premierleague.com/news/1297433
Another quality Var call in the city game.
METALMICKY
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- Jan 30, 2004
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Many thanks. The concise and polite response I was looking for.
If VAR must continue, then there has to be complete transparency.
In the stadium, you must hear the ref/assistant refs talking to VAR. All of it. And LOTS of replays on the big screen of the incident in question.
If the Premier League or PGMOL don't agree to that, why TF not? What are they not happy for paying fans to see and hear?
Today was a minor shambles for the refereeing team, and that is fast becoming the norm.
In the stadium, you must hear the ref/assistant refs talking to VAR. All of it. And LOTS of replays on the big screen of the incident in question.
If the Premier League or PGMOL don't agree to that, why TF not? What are they not happy for paying fans to see and hear?
Today was a minor shambles for the refereeing team, and that is fast becoming the norm.
BensGrandad
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At our game the VAR confirmed the penalty decision and also that it should be retaken for encroachment so there can be no complaints from us. The only time I am against it is when offside is given because a hand is offside which you cannot score with. I think it should be foot head or body.
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symyjym
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The VAR was correct on the encroachment for the disallowed penalty save goal but surely it should have been a free kick to us, not another penalty? The rules are flawed in this instance but VAR did it's job.
Stato
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- Dec 21, 2011
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Two similar penalty shouts today. Both were clumsy challenges that impacted upon the striker. Dean gave theirs and not ours. He could easily have done the opposite. If he had, we all know that VAR still wouldn't have overturned his decisions. We've all seen enough comments from ex referees on Monday mornings that always say that their former colleagues got it right. We know that there is no chance that any of them are going to overrule each other. If that's the case, then all this technology is doing is checking offside decisions.
Whether offside decisions are accurate to the centimetre is irrelevant to football as a sport. The offside rule was introduced to stop the game being ruined by goal hanging. It did that for a century before VAR and having more accurate measurement adds nothing to the rule's effectiveness in doing what it was introduced to do. All of the tedious TV pundits (and Sean Dyche) who made a huge fuss over human errors whenever it suited their agenda are still blowing hot air over whatever controversy they can find. The only potential advantage that VAR could have brought was to shut them up. Now its been proven not to work to this end, bin it. It adds nothing and, as @Prodnose pointed out from the offset, it robs the game of some of the random madness that makes it the primary obsession of all right thinking sports fans.
Whether offside decisions are accurate to the centimetre is irrelevant to football as a sport. The offside rule was introduced to stop the game being ruined by goal hanging. It did that for a century before VAR and having more accurate measurement adds nothing to the rule's effectiveness in doing what it was introduced to do. All of the tedious TV pundits (and Sean Dyche) who made a huge fuss over human errors whenever it suited their agenda are still blowing hot air over whatever controversy they can find. The only potential advantage that VAR could have brought was to shut them up. Now its been proven not to work to this end, bin it. It adds nothing and, as @Prodnose pointed out from the offset, it robs the game of some of the random madness that makes it the primary obsession of all right thinking sports fans.
Gazwag
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So it should have been our free kick then. Our players encroachment had no effect but Maddison did as he encroached and scored.
Captain Sensible
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This is a point I was making. If through a result of the attacking teams encroachment they still score, or prevent a clearance, it should be a freekick to the defending team. You don’t get the ball back after scoring an offside goal and get to have another go at it!?
BadFish
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- Oct 19, 2003
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mejonaNO12 aka riskit
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Apart from Mike Riley has highlighted the connolly decision as one of the 4 incidents where VAR has made a mistake in over ruling the on field decision, calling it the "worst possible outcome"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50517096
Awkward.
I expect Plooks will be very quiet about that one....
BadFish
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- Oct 19, 2003
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I've just watched Western United V Central Coast and seen 2 handball shouts not given. The second not even referred to VAR. A blatant movement of the arm to the ball in the box. Clear and obvious error missed by the ref.
The first went to VAR and I can accept that my view of an unnatural position is different to the ref's
I just don't feel like I understand the laws of the game anymore. So much confusion.
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The first went to VAR and I can accept that my view of an unnatural position is different to the ref's
I just don't feel like I understand the laws of the game anymore. So much confusion.
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