jessiejames
Never late in a V8
So can someone answer this simple question, does the ball have to be dead i.e out of play before VAR is used?
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[Football] Right then. After that demonstration... VAR? Yes or No?
- Thread starter SweatyMexican
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Because football is a game that should continue as much as possible to be entertaining.
Reviewed decisions in cricket can happen in the time that would usually be taken up by watching a bowler walk back to his mark. In rugby they are only taken at the end of a set of phases when the ball is dead and there is a set play in the rules that you can go back to if the outcome is reversed.
Football isn't like this. It's instant, visceral and more or less unreversable without consquences. And, as a result. VAR is ruining it.
West Upper Seagull
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I fully expect there will be times when the opposition will get goals against us chalked off, so we’re 1 down to VAR for now but when we get one of these decisions in our favour then everyone will love it ! I still get mad at the thought of the Burnley game last season when we should have had a nailed on penalty for handball - VAR will sort this out and over the season things will even themselves out.
My only gripe is the time it took - the goal went in, I celebrated like mad, went for a lash while there was a break in play and the decision was only made when I just got back to my seat !
My only gripe is the time it took - the goal went in, I celebrated like mad, went for a lash while there was a break in play and the decision was only made when I just got back to my seat !
Easy 10
Brain dead MUG SHEEP
Because no other sport has the spontaneous unexpected explosion of JOY that football has, when you see that net bulge. Goals are rare. They are SO hard to come by. I'm not saying a wicket or a try isn't, but have you EVER celebrated a wicket or a try with the sudden joy of a goal ? I'd say only when its an absolutely crucial one. Add in the fact that cricket and rugby, by their nature, are stop-start games with lots of breaks and natural stoppages where video reviews work, and there's your reason as to why is just does not work as well in a flowing game like football.
I had my doubts on VAR before today, but felt if it was resolving CLEAR and OBVIOUS mistakes, then it would be worthwhile. After today though - no. As [MENTION=616]Guinness Boy[/MENTION] said, it absolutely sucked the joy out of it today. We couldn't even properly enjoy Trossards splendid equaliser. EVERYTHING is on hold, while you watch the ref.
I'm out.
GoingUp
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VAR is still open to human error is it not? Humans have still have to judge if a team of moving people and their shirts, boot laces, hair and what ever else is moving is offside.
Goal line tech is just that computer tech that judges if a ball went over a static white line and a static bar. Im all for goal line tech, its also pretty instant and we know whats going on whist it is being used.
West Upper Seagull
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I’m with you on this. I was at Cardiff for that injustice last season, just like it was when we should have had a nailed on penalty at home to Burnley when Kendrick hooked the ball away with his arm in the box. We all moaned at how shit the refereeing was last season and VAR will ultimately sort that out - it just feels hard to take when it goes against you but the time will come when our opponents get a goal chalked off against us by VAR and everyone will love it !
Northern_Gull
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I think VAR in the long run is good, no more (hopefully) losing to bad decisions made by the ref, i just think fans inside the stadium need to be in the know a bit more, like show the replay on the screens and say what they are looking for. That penalty review that WHU had was frustrating because play had carried on for so long before the review came in they could have decided it wasn't a penalty and moved on with it, instead of having a break in play and reviewing it 30 seconds later
I do believe VAR has its place.
However as an idea (don’t know if anyone has had this idea already), but to make offside decisions less millimetre perfect why don’t they try making the VAR lines drawn across the pitch each 2 feet wide. If they touch, overlap, it’s onside. This will favour the attacking team (as I believe has been the desire over the years anyway) and reduce the amount of celebrations being deflated unnecessarily like today.
VAR is there for the ‘clear and obvious’ so why not give a little flex for offsides?
Loved the way we played today. Defended higher up the pitch. More excitement in 2 games this season than the whole of last for me.
However as an idea (don’t know if anyone has had this idea already), but to make offside decisions less millimetre perfect why don’t they try making the VAR lines drawn across the pitch each 2 feet wide. If they touch, overlap, it’s onside. This will favour the attacking team (as I believe has been the desire over the years anyway) and reduce the amount of celebrations being deflated unnecessarily like today.
VAR is there for the ‘clear and obvious’ so why not give a little flex for offsides?
Loved the way we played today. Defended higher up the pitch. More excitement in 2 games this season than the whole of last for me.
Blackadder
Brighton Bhuna Boy
They probably went to the match where tickets were still available. Just saying.
Just out of interest, what did you pay for your paid for enjoyment?
Easy 10
Brain dead MUG SHEEP
I'm at a point now where, when it comes to offsides, I just want VAR binned off completely. Revert to the lino's call, they've always got it right 95% of the time. Over the course of the season when you get the odd duff one, it'll even itself out.
Just use VAR to review clear and obvious WRONG decisions on penalties, and red cards. Thats it.
Just use VAR to review clear and obvious WRONG decisions on penalties, and red cards. Thats it.
Nixonator
Well-known member
This, but it will never happen.
Betting conglomerates and the top 6 pushing it and we'll get more and more pundit spin declaring how great it is.
Blackadder
Brighton Bhuna Boy
Can't help thinking that if Trossard's first goal was allowed, we would have gone on to destroy WHU
warmleyseagull
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Completely disagree. Offside is often very difficult to call in real time especially with high line defence against free kicks and VAR can help give a decision when it is close. How do you know linos get it right 95% of time without VAR? Shame today but Burn was offside; wouldn't we all be pissed off if WH had scored that goal, been given, then MOTD showed a WH player was offside.
I would like to see DRS in football so captains have two reviews they can use, to be retained only if they are correct. As in cricket, it would add a bit of judgmental spice.
warmleyseagull
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Because we are not used to it yet.
Machiavelli
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Offsides and the ball running out of play are 'objective' decisions, like goal line technology, which is why they're judged accordingly in the new system.
The other decisions -- penalties, red cards -- need to involve a clear and obvious error in order to be overturned (ie they've acknowledged the subjective factors)
No and therefore no.
Sussexscots
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I think we need an 'It evens itself out over the course of the season' thread.
This is some serious Tin foil hat stuff.
jessiejames
Never late in a V8
So instead of having a complete and utter shysters thread every week it will be replaced with complete and utter VARsters thread. At least with the former I can see who I am abusing every week, for that reason VAR can do one.
jessiejames
Never late in a V8
If that is the correct answer then VAR is not working should there have been an infringement at the start of the build up to the goal.