Reports of a van driving into a crowd of people in Finsbury Park

[clapham_gull]

Impossible not to think like that for me. I can't help but scan the tube carriage when I get in, even if it's sometimes a bit subconscious. Occasionally have a 'he looks dodgy' thought..........although it's not Asians specifically, could be anyone that triggers my unwelcome thoughts.

Jesus.

To me its all about risk. I'm more worried about crossing the road.

I can't believe people who cross on red.

I think since the IRA nearly blew me up years ago I've become immune.

I pulled out of Stockwell Station just as they shot that bloke, but back on tube next day.

I think I don't associate "terror" with anything else but the people responsible. The chances of being near one are a million to one.

If I thought about it too much at the moment I would probablt avoid the pavement....




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[dazzer6666]

Jesus.

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It's an unavoidable reaction. Doesn't bother me but it's always there.....

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[clapham_gull]

It's an unavoidable reaction. Doesn't bother me but it's always there.....

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Sorry posted too early, the "Jesus" was a reaction to your fear.

I HATE being in a car generally after a near miss years ago when I should have lost my arm.

(Arm was hanging out, pulled it in and lorry smashed into the side)

Given me a fear of being in a car with a driver not concentrating on the road or ignoring speed limits.


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[wellquickwoody]

Fully agree but sadly some seem to think that these innocent victims somehow deserved it

What you cannot argue is that every jihadi is a Muslim, the word jihadi gives it away, but we must not forget that very few Muslims are jihadis. But when you are looking how to dissuade more terror attacks, which specific part of our community should we aim to influence?

 

[JCL666]

Pakistan is a basket case country, its population have an inferiority complex so strive to be ultra good muslims, ie radical. They are also the most inbred of muslim nations with the lowest average IQ because of first cousin marrages which most countries poscribe, this is what we import we then let the Saudis provide religious education and a legal system that is so spineless it ignores a child rape epidemic for a decade.

What where you expecting?

WTF are you on about?

I can only find one study https://iq-research.info/en/page/average-iq-by-country that shows average IQ and that has been widely criticised. But even according to that you're wrong.

Additionally there are so many factors to why average IQ scores in country might be lower. For example in Pakistan (population = 200 million), over 20% live below the poverty line.

Why do you continually spout this nonsense?

 

[looney]

WTF are you on about?

I can only find one study https://iq-research.info/en/page/average-iq-by-country that shows average IQ and that has been widely criticised. But even according to that you're wrong.

Additionally there are so many factors to why average IQ scores in country might be lower. For example in Pakistan (population = 200 million), over 20% live below the poverty line.

Why do you continually spout this nonsense?

So your argument consists of, your wrong, the data is wrong and IQs are wrong. I'm not far out according to that data with an average IQ of 84 Pakistan is fairly radical as thats where the taliban originate, as its a tribal society. The Pashtuns compromise 30 million people mainly in tribal reagions to the north etc, but you seem more interested in objecting than debating so I will leave it there..

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I can honestly say I've never scanned a train for people who look dodgy.
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If it's the train to Brighton I do a quick scan for stag or hen parties but that's about it.

 

[heathgate]

If it's the train to Brighton I do a quick scan for stag or hen parties but that's about it.

Then, given the current socio-political climate, you are perhaps guilty of having your head in the sand. Why would you not look around for obvious potential threats to your wellbeing?..... that should be a given surely?

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[Guinness Boy]

Then, given the current socio-political climate, you are perhaps guilty of having your head in the sand. Why would you not look around for obvious potential threats to your wellbeing?..... that should be a given surely?

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There are threats to one's wellbeing everywhere. How do you know that guy driving badly isn't drunk or that steak you're buying cheaply isn't disease riddled etc.?

I started going to football in the late 80s when fans were burned and crushed, the OB treated you like filth & many fans responded. There were "offs"'at the first three away games I went to. But I just had a good day out with my mates


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[heathgate]

There are threats to one's wellbeing everywhere. How do you know that guy driving badly isn't drunk or that steak you're buying cheaply isn't disease riddled etc.?

I started going to football in the late 80s when fans were burned and crushed, the OB treated you like filth & many fans responded. There were "offs"'at the first three away games I went to. But I just had a good day out with my mates


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I still maintain you take and pay a reasonable amount of care and attention towards your surroundings, especially in busy places, especially in the capitol, and especially taking into account life threatening events of the last few years....

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[Herr Tubthumper]

Why would you not look around for obvious potential threats to your wellbeing?

Statistically speaking, on a train, there's more chance of a load of oiks threatening my general well-being than someone mowing me down with a lorry.

 

[heathgate]

Statistically speaking, on a train, there's more chance of a load of oiks threatening my general well-being than someone mowing me down with a lorry.

How about those random knife attacks on trains and in stations in parts of your fantasy tuetonic utopia in recent years... a strong possibility that a cursory glance around MAY have given you a heads up..... just a sensible precaution to at least improve your odds .. even if it's only a marginal improvement.

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[The Clamp]

How about those random knife attacks on trains and in stations in parts of your fantasy tuetonic utopia in recent years... a strong possibility that a cursory glance around MAY have given you a heads up..... just a sensible precaution to at least improve your odds .. even if it's only a marginal improvement.

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I see your point actually. I for one will certainly stop queueing up outside mosques at midnight.

 

[half time scores]

I mainly look out for drivers on their phones while I walk my kids to school, I spot them every day and they scare me. In 10mins at the Old Shoreham Rd lights with Boundary Rd , at least 1 vehicle jumps the lights every day, just in 10mins. The roads scare me far more than terrorists.

Warning.

Be very careful talking such sense.
Having such a if I may say sensible view of risk perception may be perceived as being strange.

 

[Guinness Boy]

I still maintain you take and pay a reasonable amount of care and attention towards your surroundings, especially in busy places, especially in the capitol, and especially taking into account life threatening events of the last few years....

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Seriously, in the last few years I've commuted to Croydon, the East End and Uxbridge and am currently working a couple of days a week in Birmingham, which I get to by train via London. In fact I'm doing that right now.

If I shat myself every time I saw a Muslim or an Asian with a backpack I'd never have clean pants.


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[Kneon Light]

What you cannot argue is that every jihadi is a Muslim, the word jihadi gives it away, but we must not forget that very few Muslims are jihadis. But when you are looking how to dissuade more terror attacks, which specific part of our community should we aim to influence?

Agreed that every Jihadi is a muslim - in the same way that Klu Klux Klan are Christian. Not sure how we should be aiming to influence muslims though? Seeking their help to identify extremists absolutely (remember the Manchester attacker was actually flagged to authorities by his mosque).

I just think if the media/social media used the words Jihadi or Extremists there would not be the same hatred toward muslims that there currently is and yesterdays attack on innocent people outside a mosque may not have happened. For example after the London terror attack there were reports that a number of "muslims" had been gloating saying that the westerners deserved to die. These reports used the word Muslim fuelling hatred. In reality there were about 7 posts of this kind that the far right groups highlighted using the term muslims. As a result of this type of hatred being stirred up we get what happened yesterday and in response we get people somehow justifying it (including in this thread "what goes around, comes around").

Muslims in London need to fear the same terror attacks the rest of us fear but also have to fear racism and assault on top.

I just think if the word Jihadi had been used in every report instead of lazily blaming "muslims" this kind of "revenge" attack could have been avoided.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

How about those random knife attacks on trains and in stations in parts of your fantasy tuetonic utopia in recent years... a strong possibility that a cursory glance around MAY have given you a heads up..... just a sensible precaution to at least improve your odds .. even if it's only a marginal improvement.

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Good point...If I spot any stag parties or knife-wielding lunatics I'll switch carriage.

 

[heathgate]

Good point...If I spot any stag parties or knife-wielding lunatics I'll switch carriage.

There you go...

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[cheshunt seagull]

Please don't think for one moment this is an attack at you, it isn't. I used the underground most weekdays for 10 years, after 7/7. Every single day I looked out for possible Asian, I'll say Asian not muslim, attacks. Every single Asian with a back pack was a possible attacker. Now, I know that is wrong, but that is where we had, and have, got to. We look at anyone as a possible attacker. So please don't tell me it is worse for the muslim community than the, whatever you want to call it, British one I guess. We are ALL vulnerable.

We are all vulnerable and I am not underplaying or criticising the anxiety you felt but the levels of risk are not the same for everyone. I commute to Kings Cross every day, socialise in London etc and am as vulnerable as anyone to the type of attack on the bridges and like 7/7. However I am white, middle-aged, male and straight so not at great risk of individual or heavily targetted attack/hate crime because of who/what I am. This was not always the case. In 1981 I was in my early 20s and my Dad, a UK diplomat stationed in the US, was told that he was named on an IRA-hit list that had found its way into the hands of the UK intelligence services. This led to a summer of my checking my car for devices multiple times a day, varying routes to work etc; sounds dramatic but actually it became routine very quickly and I am not a brave/stoic person by any stretch of the imagination.

Right now I think a Muslim living, and working in London is more vulnerable than me when they are out on the streets as there are more threats to them; if they are also living in high-rise social housing....but that's another story.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

What you cannot argue is that every jihadi is a Muslim, the word jihadi gives it away, but we must not forget that very few Muslims are jihadis. But when you are looking how to dissuade more terror attacks, which specific part of our community should we aim to influence?

Middle-aged men from Cardiff?