Religion is the cause of all problems...

[AmexRuislip]

There is only one god, and she has just moaned at me for spending too long on this website

 

[Ravids]

Perhaps,the answer to everything lays in the biggest question of all-what is beyond the universe? If the answer came back that it never ends and is without limitation,would mankind accept this answer?

If there was full proof evidence then yeah I would except that.

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

God made Hitler to teach others? He really is doing a shit job. So, god made a perfect world then ****ed it up a bit, then allowed people free will and has lost a bit of control. Sounds a bit like a supply teacher. Im enjoying the debate but the desperate attmpt to clutch at any straw from the believers is admirable but also a little sad.

God never made Hitler to teach others,he allowed the conditions for Hitler to be,through free will,i would like to think something good ultimately came out of the hell of that period,perhaps the fact that we currently enjoy the longest period of peace in Europe is testament to that.

 

[Ravids]

God never made Hitler to teach others,he allowed the conditions for Hitler to be,through free will,i would like to think something good ultimately came out of the hell of that period,perhaps the fact that we currently enjoy the longest period of peace in Europe is testament to that.

Such bullcrap!

Free will has killed tens of millions of innocent people over the years, God knew that this would happen yet still made the world, what a dick.

 

[Wilko]

There is only one God. And there is plenty of evidence. It's all about how you interpret it.

Religions only decided to go monotheistic in recent times once they thought polytheism sounded ridiculous, can you predict the next step? People believe in the god or religion they do because they have been socialised and taught to lets be honest. If you were from the middle east you'd probably be a muslim, from Thailand a Buddhist, south America a Christian. Why do people believe? Theyve been taught to.

 

[Lenny Rider]

In answer to your original statement........and the Internet.

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

So muslims, budists, sikhs are all wrong then, but you are right?

Religion, especially in the western world will be non existent in 100 years. Open your eyes to the truth, and close them to this non existent hope.

I think you are close to the truth of the next chapter

True, there is a big difference between believing in god and religion. I only believe in one less god than you so we are pretty much the same

we are

There is only one god, and she has just moaned at me for spending too long on this website

oh she who is to be obeyed.

If there was full proof evidence then yeah I would except that.

would you,i would not accept it,i would have to believe it.

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

If there was full proof evidence then yeah I would except that.

Such bullcrap!

Free will has killed tens of millions of innocent people over the years, God knew that this would happen yet still made the world, what a dick.

When the sum of all parts sees themselves as the same the killing will stop.

 

[Dan Aitch]

There is no god. Never has been, never will be. Anyone who believes otherwise has limited intellect.

You may now close his thread.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

Religion is a big one but the main one is wealth or lack of it, wealth and assets are spread very thinly with 98% of the human race, in various levels of poverty with 2% of people owning 90% of the wealth and money. People's quality of life goes hand in hand with their wealth and assets. So it stands to reason there are a lot of very pissed off people in the World.

 

[Baldseagull]

Perhaps,the answer to everything lays in the biggest question of all-what is beyond the universe? If the answer came back that it never ends and is without limitation,would mankind accept this answer?

I am not seeking an answer to everything, I am seeking to understand why some people need a God or what it is inside the mind of some that allows them to believe that the words laid down in one book or another are the words of a supreme being and/or the testimony of witnesses to the doings of the supreme being or his son, just because a man in funny clothes tells them so.

 

[Silk]

So muslims, budists, sikhs are all wrong then, but you are right?

Religion, especially in the western world will be non existent in 100 years. Open your eyes to the truth, and close them to this non existent hope.

Talk about jumping to conclusions. I said there was evidence. I didn't tell you how I interpret it.

 

[Silk]

Religions only decided to go monotheistic in recent times once they thought polytheism sounded ridiculous, can you predict the next step? People believe in the god or religion they do because they have been socialised and taught to lets be honest. If you were from the middle east you'd probably be a muslim, from Thailand a Buddhist, south America a Christian. Why do people believe? Theyve been taught to.

I completely agree

 

[beorhthelm]

Talk about jumping to conclusions. I said there was evidence. I didn't tell you how I interpret it.

but there isnt any evidence. more people disagree with you than agree, so i'd have thought it quite usful to show the evidence if it existed.

 

[symyjym]

Thanks to Einstein, we understand the nature of God better than ever.

Seeing as it's late and I've had a few beers I feel like clarifying my position in regards to spirituality, if anyone cares.

I feel absolutely certain that God exists, just like many atheists will feel certain that it doesn't. Of course I concede that I could be wrong about that, just as all of us could be wrong about anything talking from a Cartesian point of view. I believe in God not through religion, but through study, experience and plain old intuition.

For the last decade or so I have spent a lot of time trying to understand what God actually is. For the same reason as atheists, I found many of the descriptions by the Abrahamic religions of God highly questionable. But it's important to remember they were founded a long time ago, long before we knew what we do today through science, so the people of that time personified and anthropomorphised God as that was the only way they could comprehend it. I don't think they are wrong as such, certainly not as wrong as atheists, as long you consider their interpretations to be symbolic and metaphoric rather than literal. Perhaps the Buddhists were more ahead of their time with their interpretation of God, but even they have strongly simplified what I believe to be the truth.

Through science, philosophy, anthropology and quantum physics, I feel closer than ever to understanding the true nature of God. I highly doubt God is a man in the sky, who controls our lives and sends the good to heaven and the bad to hell, it seems these ideas were used in religion as a form of instilling morality into people. I doubt he is this great self aware entity despite probable omnipotence, omniscience, omnipresence and so on.

I believe that I am God, and so are you. So is everyone on NSC and every other conscious being in existence. We are all one, we are God - but like a neuron in your brain is not aware that it is part of a greater entity, nor are we. Our brains, our ego and individualism, are obstacles in the realisation of this. These ideas were traditionally known as pantheism, but is increasingly known as biocentrism as an increasing amount of scientists are taking on board what we are learning through quantum physics, which is giving a expontentially greater understanding of reality and ourselves, and that we are not living in a random, nihilistic and deterministic universe afterall.

I appreciate the time you spent writing this Mustafa.

I can grasp your personal understanding and reasoning because it steps away from blind faith in the historical and traditional sense where civilisations were and are ruled by the fear of God.

You are also able to step outside the box by saying you could be wrong, which in a debate/discussion is essential on both sides. The way you explain God sounds like nature with a God tag on it.

If I was going to explain God I too would say that it is a collective human consciousness striving for ultimate humanity as we are not there yet, but also that God is not to be found by worship, prayer and preaching.

One thing that is for sure is that the chances of us even being here were vastly minute, but the scale of the universe is equally vast raising the likelihood of planets like earth and intelligent species forming.

Currently our planet is perfectly balanced in our solar system, not through Gods work but through the chaos theory leading to a probability.

We cannot forget that we have always been taught things like Adam using a rib to make Eve, the world is 7,000 years old and that man was made in God’s image, with the added threat of Hell or Heaven thrown for good measure and it has worked in favour of the powerful for control.

People with total religious states of mind have notoriously locked up, banished or killed anyone who steps out of line with any new theory that they see as undermining their own belief. I don’t think atheists have a reputation for that and they could be considered more spiritual because they do not live with a superiority complex. We shouldn’t forget that those who have found God can rest on their belief with their search for knowledge being over, because that is the end game.

I do like your Interpretation of God but it is far removed from tradition and more like a bridge between God and science.

 

[Nibble]

Seek and ye shall find,knock and it shall be opened to you.

Go within and look not to external answers,you know the answers,you know more than you think you know,you will remember who and what you are.

Perhaps your imagination will be God's preferred method of communication,maybe a gentle breeze,the word spoken in a film,a thought provoking moment,the messages will never be stopped being sent,you will at some stage even if it is your last breath on this earth,remember,even if you spend the whole of your life previously not believing.

It's exactly this kind of self aggrandising, self satisfied dimwittery that makes me glad I know the existence of God is bullshit.

 

[SIMMO SAYS]

It's exactly this kind of self aggrandising, self satisfied dimwittery that makes me glad I know the existence of God is bullshit.

Love your use of the word dimwittery

 

[Nibble]

Once you allow yourself to know, truly know that god does not exist, that you are the sole charge of your destiny, that true love can exist between people without the conduit of religion, that nobody can judge you, you will never be punished by the celestial, an all seeing father, karma or any other dogma, once you have the courage to face life without having to believe you are being watched over, then and only then will you ever start to see life for the self contained, amazing, dumbfounding, beautiful realm it is. Ave the courage and wisdom to believe in your own, self nurtured ability.

 

[Silk]

but there isnt any evidence. more people disagree with you than agree, so i'd have thought it quite usful to show the evidence if it existed.

More people disagree with me than agree.. about what?

 

[beorhthelm]

More people disagree with me than agree.. about what?

about which god is the right god, or if there are one or many.