[Football] Relegation odds 20/21

[crodonilson]

Villa supporting relative almost spat his mocha out when I told him they were 3rd favourites to go down. He think they'll make Europe next season and Dean Smith has been given a warchest of some 150-200m.

 

[Icy Gull]

Villa supporting relative almost spat his mocha out when I told him they were 3rd favourites to go down. He think they'll make Europe next season and Dean Smith has been given a warchest of some 150-200m.

Just point the **** to his predictions for last year, which were almost the same. You don’t know any Leeds fans do you, cut from the same cloth it seems

 

[Badger Boy]

Dean Smith has been given a warchest of some 15-20m.

Fact checked.

 

[Mancgull]

Sheffield United are an interesting one. Most seasons, there is a team that surprises the PL when they come up. Huddersfield, Fulham and Norwich, for example. But they normally very soon get figured out and fall off.Every time I see Sheffield United, they look like a very good Championship side. I can see why teams like us struggle but the bigger teams also seemed to have a problem when normally, they would have the players to negate whatever the other team's "special power" is. Maybe because their USP isn't throwing attackers at it like Norwich and Fulham, it is harder to figure out. But I wonder if a chink does appear, they will drop like a stone. They are very much greater than the sum of their parts with a very good coach but how long can that continue?

Interesting that Henderson won’t be going back there on loan, thus weakening them quite significantly. They might be replacing with Ramsdale at £18m but I don’t think he’s as good as Henderson and they will have to pay £18m of their budget on him.

 

[vagabond]

Taking a look today and really is strange how Leeds are on the same odds as us.

 

[Pavilionaire]

Sheffield United are an interesting one. Most seasons, there is a team that surprises the PL when they come up. Huddersfield, Fulham and Norwich, for example. But they normally very soon get figured out and fall off.Every time I see Sheffield United, they look like a very good Championship side. I can see why teams like us struggle but the bigger teams also seemed to have a problem when normally, they would have the players to negate whatever the other team's "special power" is. Maybe because their USP isn't throwing attackers at it like Norwich and Fulham, it is harder to figure out. But I wonder if a chink does appear, they will drop like a stone. They are very much greater than the sum of their parts with a very good coach but how long can that continue?

Very much like Burnley. The manager is key because they instill the philosophy and identity of the club. Both Dyche and Wilder seem to get more out of their players than anyone thought possible. I think both will be fine if they hold on to their managers, best players and sign one or two decent additions.

I worry for Palace and the three coming up.

 

[Billy Seagull]

Leeds are 25/1 to finish bottom with £3.65 which has to be too big, have had a few quid.

They are still 4/1 to be relegated with William Hill, for those that can.

 

[Nameless]

The real favourites for relegation go like this 1. West Brom 2. Fulham 3. Crystal Palace 4. Leeds United 5. Aston Villa 6. Newcastle United 7. West Ham United 8. Burnley 9. Brighton 10. Sheffield United 11. Southampton

That is at least the bottom 11 anyways. Hoping for Leeds, Palace and Burnley but realistically think all 3 promoted sides will go down with Palace, Villa and Newcastle being close till the very end.

 

[Nameless]

Very much like Burnley. The manager is key because they instill the philosophy and identity of the club. Both Dyche and Wilder seem to get more out of their players than anyone thought possible. I think both will be fine if they hold on to their managers, best players and sign one or two decent additions.

I worry for Palace and the three coming up.

I agree with your point especially regarding Wilder but think unless Burnely actually back Dyche that relationship could be moving towards a bitter end they are currently 2 weeks away from the season looking at the very real prospect of starting the season with a weaker team than they finished with. Furthermore, they seem to struggle to attract players.

 

[Pavilionaire]

I agree with your point especially regarding Wilder but think unless Burnely actually back Dyche that relationship could be moving towards a bitter end they are currently 2 weeks away from the season looking at the very real prospect of starting the season with a weaker team than they finished with. Furthermore, they seem to struggle to attract players.

I get that, and you wonder whether Burnley, like Charlton and Bolton before them, are reaching the end of the road.

The sale of Jeff Hendrick to Newcastle is puzzling. He embodies what Burnley are about, a real Dyche player, yet he's joining a side who have finished below Burnley in 4 of the last 5 years. You won't break into the Top 6 with Hendrick starting for you, and so those who are ambitious will want to bring in more quality, but then players like him keep you competitive and in the Premier League.

They still have quality - Pope, Tarkowski, McNeil - and a spine of recent pros but then so do many other sides. They need to keep those three players. Furthermore, their squad is thin and injuries could hurt them.

 

[pornomagboy]

A successful treble involving Leeds, Villa and Palace would probably give me more pleasure than the birth of my first son

150/1 with sky bet

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[blue-shifted]

I get that, and you wonder whether Burnley, like Charlton and Bolton before them, are reaching the end of the road.

The sale of Jeff Hendrick to Newcastle is puzzling. He embodies what Burnley are about, a real Dyche player, yet he's joining a side who have finished below Burnley in 4 of the last 5 years. You won't break into the Top 6 with Hendrick starting for you, and so those who are ambitious will want to bring in more quality, but then players like him keep you competitive and in the Premier League.

They still have quality - Pope, Tarkowski, McNeil - and a spine of recent pros but then so do many other sides. They need to keep those three players. Furthermore, their squad is thin and injuries could hurt them.

I think Burnley will go down. It's tough, because as you say, they have quality in goal, central defence and up front ..... but a football season lasts a long time (well certainly the last one did) and it won't take much to go wrong to destabilise Burnley. Losing Dyche is even money, they are highly reliant on the form and fitness of a small number of players and I know they've got away with it this far, but I really don't understand how their rudimentary playing style hasn't been worked out yet.

 

[Jimmy Grimble]

Cannot see Burnley going down under Dyche.

Unfortunately I cannot see Palace going down either. Hodgson’s not fully lost his marbles yet and even if he does they will get a firefighter in on a multi million contract to bail them out.

 

[loz]

]I get that, and you wonder whether Burnley, like Charlton and Bolton before them, are reaching the end of the road.[/B]

The sale of Jeff Hendrick to Newcastle is puzzling. He embodies what Burnley are about, a real Dyche player, yet he's joining a side who have finished below Burnley in 4 of the last 5 years. You won't break into the Top 6 with Hendrick starting for you, and so those who are ambitious will want to bring in more quality, but then players like him keep you competitive and in the Premier League.

They still have quality - Pope, Tarkowski, McNeil - and a spine of recent pros but then so do many other sides. They need to keep those three players. Furthermore, their squad is thin and injuries could hurt them.

This happens to all but about 7 clubs, the first few seasons spend your way out of trouble, then try and bring through youngsters who are either not quite good enough or sold to the big 5, the last phase is the fire fighting, changing managers buying players past their prime, fans with a sense of entitlement after a few seasons in the top flight start to want to push to the next level...and bang back down.

 

[drew]

I get that, and you wonder whether Burnley, like Charlton and Bolton before them, are reaching the end of the road.

The sale of Jeff Hendrick to Newcastle is puzzling. He embodies what Burnley are about, a real Dyche player, yet he's joining a side who have finished below Burnley in 4 of the last 5 years. You won't break into the Top 6 with Hendrick starting for you, and so those who are ambitious will want to bring in more quality, but then players like him keep you competitive and in the Premier League.

They still have quality - Pope, Tarkowski, McNeil - and a spine of recent pros but then so do many other sides. They need to keep those three players. Furthermore, their squad is thin and injuries could hurt them.

Hendrick wasn't sold, Burnley didn't offer him a new contract so was released.

 

[Pavilionaire]

Hendrick wasn't sold, Burnley didn't offer him a new contract so was released.

Yep, my mistake. That said, the point still stands that the Burnley board have chosen to let him go - apparently against Dyche's wishes (according to 'Lancs Live') - and it doesn't look like they've got a ready replacement, let alone an upgrade.

 

[LlcoolJ]

This happens to all but about 7 clubs, the first few seasons spend your way out of trouble, then try and bring through youngsters who are either not quite good enough or sold to the big 5, the last phase is the fire fighting, changing managers buying players past their prime, fans with a sense of entitlement after a few seasons in the top flight start to want to push to the next level...and bang back down.

Which stage are Palace at btw? Seems to be the final one..... I can't really see that you have anyone left to sell (Seggers aside and we all know about that situation), and without that, you're done financially and on the pitch.

Genuine question, I'm trying desperately to be objective!

 

[loz]

Which stage are Palace at btw? Seems to be the final one..... I can't really see that you have anyone left to sell (Seggers aside and we all know about that situation), and without that, you're done financially and on the pitch.

Genuine question, I'm trying desperately to be objective!

Not really sure as we seem to be targeting young players this transfer window.

 

[LlcoolJ]

Not really sure as we seem to be targeting young players this transfer window.

Which ones? Again, I don't know, not taking the piss.

 

[blue-shifted]

There was one from the Scottish u21s I think. They're not exactly Borussia Dortmund in this respect anyway