The Tories should have worked out that the WORST thing was for her to go squaealing to the "Mail on Sunday" for monety afterwards. That just unmasked to the great downtrodden how much the media were trying to influence the result.
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- Thread starter Harty
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The Tories should have worked out that the WORST thing was for her to go squaealing to the "Mail on Sunday" for monety afterwards. That just unmasked to the great downtrodden how much the media were trying to influence the result.
Hatterlovesbrighton
something clever
That's the one that Labour wants because it would protect their massive advantage in the northern towns whilst letting them and lib dems win seats from the tories. I'd want to see a good explnation of the different refroms possible before deciding on which I would favour.
Don't really like the thought of party lists but also dont like how AV works.
supaseagull
Well-known member
Absolutely correct...
Hatterlovesbrighton
something clever
Really? No chance of them descending into chaos when the party splits over who should be the next leader. Battle between the deeply hated, but union backed, Ed Balls, the Blairite Ed Balls and the traditional Alan Johnson.
Handily, there is no chance of Balls being elected as leader any more. Not with a wafer thin majority of about 200.
It'll be Johnson or Milliband.
A bit unfair that. The sticking point for the Tory/Lib Dem negotiations is the electoral system itself, take that out of the equation and they'd have probably had a deal on Friday.
I did indeed.
I think I'm definitely one of the dreamers ... but certainly not a Labour one.
Gwylan,oh dear it gets worse
Road v rail transport? The Tories tax-break for the rich? Etc etc etc....
pasty
A different kind of pasty
I equate it to wanting English clubs to lose in the Champions League. It is more cool, tendy and right on to hate Man Utd than anything else.
Similarly, its more cool, trendy and right on to hate the Tory party than anything else.
From what I've seen reported, there's plenty of common ground between the parties. Given that there's not going to be complete unanimity between them, there are plenty of areas for compromise.
I don't think the two you've mentioned are the big sticking points TBH. Apart from electoral reform, I think Europe is the other problem area - but then, it nearly always is for the Tories.
larus
Well-known member
Well, gonna have to be pretty good from this point 
Storer68
New member
How did the tories win?
Most seats? Certainly
Majority? Yes
Enough of both over all other parties - NO
Its like winning a game of football by counting shots rather than goals.
Storer68
New member
I thnk that a major sticking point will be getting any prospective through the LibDem internal policy making machinery in time to be able to form an effective administartion
Talking out of his arse it seems.
As he normally does !
nobody's dupe
Old Fart
Are you talking about our Ivor Crap-plan? Surely not.
Ian refers to "Red Ivor." Sorry Harty, red he is not. He once chastised me for singing 'The Red Flag', advising me that it wasn't New Labour.
pasty
A different kind of pasty
Yet that is precisely what Labour are doing to try and hang on to power. f*** me, they've even dropped their main goal scorer now to try an replace him with a better one!
Labour are slagging off the Conservatives for trying to form a MAJORITY government with the Lib Dems whilst at the same time trying to do exactly the same thing to form a MINORITY government.
Hoestly, I will despair of this country if we end up with yet another UNELECTED prime minister for the second time in a row, in charge of a party the voting public CLEARLY showed they didn't want.
And yeah yeah, people can spout the "you vote for a party, not a person" line all they want, but in reality we all know that's bollox.
Bluejuice
Lazy as a rug on Valium
NO Prime Minister can be UNELECTED. Check your constitutional law.
Furthermore IF Labour and the Lib Dems form an alliance along with the fringe parties they would have a small MAJORITY so they aren't trying to form a minority government. That is an option open to the Tories only
Furthermore IF Labour and the Lib Dems form an alliance along with the fringe parties they would have a small MAJORITY so they aren't trying to form a minority government. That is an option open to the Tories only
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
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ironically wrong. the PM must have the confidence of the house of commons. If a Lord was to command such a confidence, they could be PM. quite common before the 1900's. it is not against the constitution for Lord Mandleson to become PM.
sleep well.
Stumpy Tim
Well-known member
It's nothing like winning a game of football by counting shots... what a shit metaphor. It's like choosing the winner of X Factor. More people voted against that dance crew (whatever they were called) than voted for them. Maybe Susan Boyle should have asked the third placed person if they wanted to join votes so they could be declared joint winners?