[Albion] RDZ’s mentality and ‘balls’

[Dave the OAP]

I think confidence has taken a massive hit since Rome, it happens and combined with the loss of 2 great engines in the squad and the injuries, the wheels have come off to a degree. This may sound daft and straw clutching but I am struggling to remember the last time we got the rub of the green at both ends of the pitch too.

It seems the season is over though I agree but, who as a long term fan, didn’t know in the back of their minds that something like this was inevitable after the blinding season and a half we have had? Most smaller clubs hit a brick wall after periods of over achieving. It just happened to us.

So many on this thread seem to want to throw the baby out with the bathwater though. Too many over reactions and/or a worrying sense of entitlement

Tottenham at home was the last time

 

[Bob!]

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I don’t know about Dahoud- just going on what I heard on here that RDZ apparently recommended him but he is an older player we got in a free transfer, it isn’t really a big deal in the greater scheme of things yet it’s become a sort of anti- De Zerbi trope to mention Dahoud ( who is incidentally earning us money as a loan player so it’s not all bad!) ).

How is Dahoud earning us money?
Surely Stuttgart aren't paying us more than his contracted wages?

 

[BevBHA]

What’s he meant to have done you’ve argued on one hand our team last season was superior and then knocked the guy for not winning games with a lesser squad and an injury pile up

I can see how it appeared contradictory. My overall point is that last season he had elite players and ones that were fit all season. This season he hasn’t. That’s true. But he hasn’t done anything at all to negate this, he’s carried on doing the same thing over and over and blaming everyone but himself when it hasn’t worked

 

[Sarisbury Seagull]

I think this is where I am and agree with every word. Clearly RDZ is a great coach and, all things considered, finishing anywhere around 10th or so is fine this season (and in fact any season). I would like him to stay. But, he is not immune from criticism. I'm not amused by his constant excuses in every presser nor by his comments about the transfer window and it has to be said tactically we have been found out a lot. It also feels like we are all waiting for him to decide if he deigns to grace us with his presence next season which I'm not overly comfortable with. But if we are looking for the best possible coach for next season (assuming he's motivated) then RDZ is the man.

Spot on.

 

[Zeberdi]

How is Dahoud earning us money?
Surely Stuttgart aren't paying us more than his contracted wages?

I was assuming we are also charging a monthly fee on top of wages contribution although that might be a wrong assumption - it is very common for a loan deals to do so - Increasingly, ‘loan deals not only include an upfront fee and a share of the player’s wages being paid by the loan club but also include sanctions should the player either fail to play regularly or appear in something other than his favoured position‘ - the monthly fee amount might depend on the loan options, one of which, in this case, is the option to buy in Dahoud’s loan contract.

 

[Bob!]

I’m assuming we are also charging a monthly fee on top of wages contribution - it is very common for a loan club to do so - the amount might depend on the loan options.

I'd have thought we would have been glad to get him off the payroll, and any contribution close to his wages would be good.

If we are getting a bonus on top of his wages then our loans team are performing way above my expectations.

 

[Weststander]

I can see how it appeared contradictory. My overall point is that last season he had elite players and ones that were fit all season. This season he hasn’t. That’s true. But he hasn’t done anything at all to negate this, he’s carried on doing the same thing over and over and blaming everyone but himself when it hasn’t worked

Literally the only other way imho would’ve been to go Hughton/Frank/Warmock by shutting up shop, sitting deep, with the defence supported in big numbers for 90 minutes. To try to chisel out 0-0’s and 1-0’s.

I just don’t think RDZ can do that.

Our first team available squad compared to this time last year, including players who’ve lost all form eg Estupinan and Ferguson, is so poor.

 

[Zeberdi]

I'd have thought we would have been glad to get him off the payroll, and any contribution close to his wages would be good.

If we are getting a bonus on top of his wages then our loans team are performing way above my expectations.

Yes exactly - far better to loan out a player we are not using to at least earn the money to help cover his wages but I would be very surprised if we are not also getting a monthly fee on top. I have a feeling we are paying a fee for Fati - ie paying Barca a monthly wages contribution (totalling just over £6.4m in 10 monthly transfers ) plus fee which would amount to about £600,000 if the total loan transfer was for £7m. Not any where near comparable of course to Dahoud’s case but better than us paying him to sit on the bench or in the dugout for the rest of the season.

 

[Springal]

Roberto seems almost broken in his post match comments it is very sad to see after the absolute breath of fresh air he has been for 19 months. I am still 100% behind him and do not doublt his ability and potential. We need to dust off in the summer and go again with hopefully all the players fit and a few new additions. This season will fizzle out with about 47 points and 13th but it has been a fantastic and successful time with Roberto so far

Probably explains why his CV is mainly short spells and he himself says either he burns out or players get fed up of him

 

[Arthritic Toe]

Utter madness on this thread - if all our first team were to go down with the plague and we had to field the under 12's side, would these people still be blaming the manager for 'not reacting well to injuries' or being 'found out'? Well we are half way to that situation and a top 10 finish would be a fantasic achievement.

 

[Springal]

Utter madness on this thread - if all our first team were to go down with the plague and we had to field the under 12's side, would these people still be blaming the manager for 'not reacting well to injuries' or being 'found out'? Well we are half way to that situation and a top 10 finish would be a fantasic achievement.

Where the squad is now and has been for a little bit - we aren’t anywhere close.

 

[Dave the OAP]

I can see how it appeared contradictory. My overall point is that last season he had elite players and ones that were fit all season. This season he hasn’t. That’s true. But he hasn’t done anything at all to negate this, he’s carried on doing the same thing over and over and blaming everyone but himself when it hasn’t worked

What are you talking about?

 

[GT49er]

Utter madness on this thread - if all our first team were to go down with the plague and we had to field the under 12's side, would these people still be blaming the manager for 'not reacting well to injuries' or being 'found out'? Well we are half way to that situation and a top 10 finish would be a fantasic achievement.

I'd blame the medical team, personally.

 

[Brian Fantana]

Christ alive, some of the comments on this thread are absolutely embarrassing. You’d think we were cut adrift at the bottom of the league the way people are carrying on.

RDZ delivered a quite astounding achievement last season. We had the cheapest squad in the division and the fourth lowest wage bill, yet managed to finish 6th.

This season, we’ve enjoyed a European adventure across some brilliant cities, taken on and beaten some proper powerhouses of European football.

We’re still in the top half of the division, despite facing an injury crisis that clubs with much larger squads than ours would have struggled with too.

We’ve brought through some more homegrown talent and also signed some really exciting prospects from abroad, who are only going to improve our squad.

Whatever happens between now and the end of the season, we’ll probably record our 2nd or 3rd highest finish in our HISTORY, all whilst playing under a manager who has delivered a style of play that has some of the best clubs in the world interested in hiring him.

Sure, we’ve had some disappointments recently in terms of results, but anyone not drinking in the fact that we’re probably living through the apex of the club’s history needs to give their head a colossal wobble.

 

[Springal]

RDZ delivered a quite astounding achievement last season. We had the cheapest squad in the division and the fourth lowest wage bill, yet managed to finish 6th.

Not based on the published accounts. About 13th now I recall

 

[Brian Fantana]

Not based on the published accounts. About 13th now I recall

13th this season and 16th last season, I think. Either way, a big overachievement.

 

[Springal]

13th this season and 16th last season, I think. Either way, a big overachievement.

Our published accounts covered last fiscal year though, not this

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Utter madness on this thread - if all our first team were to go down with the plague and we had to field the under 12's side, would these people still be blaming the manager for 'not reacting well to injuries' or being 'found out'? Well we are half way to that situation and a top 10 finish would be a fantasic achievement.

Yes, madness. We finish 6th.... and arrogant southern entitlement kicks in, with revisionism, after timing, Mystic Meggary and whatever other bollocks one can reach for off the top shelf next to the razzle mags all thrown in, in a nappy-soiler of anxt, dressed up as insightful insight, largely informed by TalkShite, pub talk and what "my brother in law who knows someone who washes Fati's car" said.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Christ alive, some of the comments on this thread are absolutely embarrassing. You’d think we were cut adrift at the bottom of the league the way people are carrying on.

RDZ delivered a quite astounding achievement last season. We had the cheapest squad in the division and the fourth lowest wage bill, yet managed to finish 6th.

This season, we’ve enjoyed a European adventure across some brilliant cities, taken on and beaten some proper powerhouses of European football.

We’re still in the top half of the division, despite facing an injury crisis that clubs with much larger squads than ours would have struggled with too.

We’ve brought through some more homegrown talent and also signed some really exciting prospects from abroad, who are only going to improve our squad.

Whatever happens between now and the end of the season, we’ll probably record our 2nd or 3rd highest finish in our HISTORY, all whilst playing under a manager who has delivered a style of play that has some of the best clubs in the world interested in hiring him.

Sure, we’ve had some disappointments recently in terms of results, but anyone not drinking in the fact that we’re probably living through the apex of the club’s history needs to give their head a colossal wobble.

Hand that man something tasty and a glass of Premier Cru to wash it down with

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I’m not so sure it’s RDZ who’s lost his balls.