[Albion] RDZ’s mentality and ‘balls’

[US Seagull]

Here's what's bothered me from the very start of the season. Roberto constantly pointing out the difficultly of having to play three games a week with the Europa League. Now it's not an untrue statement. It's absolutely true. We all know and expect this. But he was saying it back before we'd even kicked a ball in Europe. It felt like an excuse for him, for the players and for the fans right from the start. It feels like that has been internalized by some and so we've just accepted losses.

One of the major roles of a manager, maybe the major role, is to motivate the players. Giving them an out just doesn't seem helpful.

Maybe such observations from a coach sound less demoralizing in Italian? I don't know.

 

[dwayne]

Well, why haven't you got this thread on ignore then, instead of contributing to it?

Agree. The arrogance of this guy on EVERY thread is painful especially if you don't agree with him.

 

[Commander]

The players have stopped playing for him, because they know he is off at the end of the season.

Plus he is a one trick pony who has been found out.

Do you think there is any manager on the planet that you would rate for us?

 

[BevBHA]

I have to agree.

He’s a perfectionist, his precise system requires quality and pace. He’s not going to see a squad like last season’s here.

CH, GP, RDZ …. they come and go.

Agree with you both. I think he’s a manager who gets the best out of elite players, because they have the ability to do what he’s asking.

I don’t think he’s ever going to be a manager who can do something special with an average squad. He’s not adaptable enough.

Last season I genuinely believe we had the best midfield in the league. This year our squad is still very good, but what’s available each week is quite average and RDZ hasn’t coped with it well enough

 

[Solid at the back]

Football is a team game, and currently we’re managed by someone who’s not in ours.

Great post. It feels like he's lost the dressing room. Such a shame it feels like it's ending like this, all just so quickly.

I genuinely believe we're going down next season. Our form has been atrocious, you see it season in and out. Our form has been masked by the fact we had a great start. We have been awful, we carry this form into next season and we will finish bottom.

 

[BevBHA]

He reminds me of José Mourinho. I don’t think he’ll ever be in a job more than 3 seasons. Wants immediate success, not a project. I think whenever he leaves a club it will always end on a sour note. Either losing the dressing room or calling out the owner.

 

[Weststander]

Agree with you both. I think he’s a manager who gets the best out of elite players, because they have the ability to do what he’s asking.

I don’t think he’s ever going to be a manager who can do something special with an average squad. He’s not adaptable enough.

Last season I genuinely believe we had the best midfield in the league. This year our squad is still very good, but what’s available each week is quite average and RDZ hasn’t coped with it well enough

Anyway, for a change, I fancy a new era with a manager who organises counter attacking football, with rolling around on the floor for the rest of the game when we rob an opening goal. Villa and Fulham fare well from that.

Imagine the team delivering clean-sheets, with little vulnerability to the counter.

 

[GT49er]

Great post. It feels like he's lost the dressing room. Such a shame it feels like it's ending like this, all just so quickly.

I genuinely believe we're going down next season. Our form has been atrocious, you see it season in and out. Our form has been masked by the fact we had a great start. We have been awful, we carry this form into next season and we will finish bottom.

Since our great start, we have still garnered 30 points from 25 games - not quite relegation form, but not great.

 

[portlock seagull]

Great post. It feels like he's lost the dressing room. Such a shame it feels like it's ending like this, all just so quickly.

I genuinely believe we're going down next season. Our form has been atrocious, you see it season in and out. Our form has been masked by the fact we had a great start. We have been awful, we carry this form into next season and we will finish bottom.

I think we’ll be fine, because the incoming manager will bring his team and it’s start a fresh. But this season is finished, we’ve known for a while it is; not just because of RDZ mouthing off in the press; but the injuries have killed us.

 

[BevBHA]

Anyway, for a change, I fancy a new era with a manager who organises counter attacking football, with rolling around on the floor for the rest of the game when we rob an opening goal. Villa and Fulham fare well from that.

Imagine the team delivering clean-sheets, with little vulnerability to the counter.

As annoying as those games are when they go against you, winning a game like that as a fan (especially on an away day) is the best type of win imo

 

[Weststander]

As annoying as those games are when they go against you, winning a game like that as a fan (especially on an away day) is the best type of win imo

Winning IS EVERYTHING. Especially at home making 28k happy.

 

[Stato]

Or Arsenal are currently a bit better than us.

Pull yourselves together. Nobody expected us to win today. There was improvement from midweek. but we were up against a very effective and surprisingly cynical side. The ref made it obvious from the off that we wouldn't be getting any decisions and after a close first half we couldn't break down a very good defence that had rightly or wrongly been gifted a lead. The evidence was there that a squad that has been ravaged by injury all season is slowly getting back to something near what it was capable of at the start of the year.

However, today came too soon against a bloody good side with everything stacked in it's favour. Qualifying for Europe for the second time ever in our existence looks a bit out of our reach this term, but we're in a really good place to go again next year, especially, and I know this is against some strange entitled wind that seems to have been blowing in these parts recently, if we manage to hold on to a coach who has his faults, but has more talent and drive than any manager we've ever had.

 

[Mancgull]

If we have a change of manager at the end of the season I hope it’s someone that still wants to play possession based football and frankly I’m sure that Tony will prioritise managers that play with this style based on the type of technical players that we have.

I think our biggest risk is that Roberto stays if he doesn’t really want to be here.
It’s been a difficult second half of the season, but anyone thinking that it was going to be plain sailing was deluded.

I saw no lack of spirit today. Just that the opposition countered our strengths very well and basically their strength in depth and quality just outdid us. It happens, but this was only our second home loss of the season. A bit of over reaction on here.

 

[Dave the OAP]

-caicedo and mac not replaced.
-awful summer signings since we lost our recruitment team which we only get worse seeing as Chelsea took our last one standing: Milner, fati, dahoud. All crap.
-injuries
-signing no one when 3 players were needed in jan

= why he has lost his mojo and fair enough.

He doesn’t suit well with bloom so will be for the best he leaves but can’t see anyone touching him, maybe an average Italian team.

Milner? He has been a fantastic signing…when he is fit ( which we knew was going to be an issue)

did their keeper have one save to make apart from Encis’s fantastic shot?

clueless second half really


BUT…Arsenal are the best side in England

 

[Sarisbury Seagull]

Since our great start, we have still garnered 30 points from 25 games - not quite relegation form, but not great.

28 points from last 25 league games. It’s worse than not great - as you say unlikely to be relegation form but it is 16th/17th place form. Certainly not a team hoping to finish top half, let alone in Europe.

 

[nwgull]

He reminds me of José Mourinho. I don’t think he’ll ever be in a job more than 3 seasons. Wants immediate success, not a project. I think whenever he leaves a club it will always end on a sour note. Either losing the dressing room or calling out the owner.

This the key, isn’t it? Came into the club with the team packed with talent and absolutely flying. Doesn’t seem to appreciate that getting to this point took several seasons, not a couple of big-spending transfer windows.

 

[junior]

I don’t think he’s ever going to be a manager who can do something special with an average squad.

Strange comment considering he got us into Europe and that Italian team (Sassuolo?) quite high up the Italian league.

He can clearly work with an average squad when he feels like it.

 

[Hamilton]

Well file this thread under ‘Over-reaction’.

 

[Zeberdi]

Assuming the ‘factors’ you are referring to are mainly concerning injuries?

Isnt it the coaches job when he has injuries to key players to perhaps change to style of play? Change formation? Change tactics based on opposition? We do the same thing every single game and expect it to work. It’s naive at best. Idiotic at worst.

What do you think he was doing for the several months we had no wingers?

He completely changed the set up and used lateral midfielders and our strikers to act as wingers but there’s a point when the injuries keep piling on and the available squad to pick from gets smaller and smaller.

I disagree that he does the same thing each match - we have switched it around depending on our opponent and who’s available…and who we are playing next ( and when) .

We will have to agree to disagree on the need to keep bashing the same old ground and for this continuous plethora of new threads after every match - many valid points but frankly I’m bored with it.

I would suggest it not RDZ doing the same thing but rather is a minority of NSC fans who, after every match - post emotionally charged, hyperbolic threads and comments in the hope of convincing the rest of us to be as depressed about our prospects as they are - I won’t say that’s ’idiotic’ or ‘naive’ but it’s not where we are all at.

 

[JamieR]

I get the feeling that bloom/barber will be willing to take a haircut on rdz release clause. The partnership has run its course.