[Albion] RDZ out

[martin tyler]

Choice seems clear to me. Potter went on a worse run than this and we stuck with him. He changed tactics and played all his available midfielders, got a result at Arsenal and went on a fantastic run.

RDZ shows no sign of adapting to circumstances.

If we believe he’s going to stay and will still be the man with our anticipated squad next season then he needs to be given the same chance to turn it round.

If we believe he’s off then get rid today. Give Crofts and Lallana a chance to show what they can do.

One big difference he has a prime Gross, Bissouma, Caicedo, Mwepu, Macallister, and trossard in that midfield 5 as options.
That said what he’s currently doing tactically isn’t working he needs to adapt.

 

[DJ NOBO]

Next season will be about rebuilding, whoever is in charge.
If we avoid relegation it’s a good season.

 

[Sarisbury Seagull]

Incidentally, Klopp, who is another great coach, is having exactly the same issue at Liverpool. The only difference is that he’s confirmed he’s off whereas people just think Roberto is. If the players know the coach is gone they might check out too - see Klopp’s spat with Salah.

Yep.

And this is why I was so critical of RDZ’s press conferences where he belittled our current players, was clearly criticising the board and did nothing to distance himself from other jobs. I got a lot of shit for it at the time but this was always going to be the end result. The players (and coaches on the bench) all look absolutely shell shocked and want to be anywhere but at a football ground.

His ranting on the touchline today shows a man who is now totally out of control of the situation.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Yep.

And this is why I was so critical of RDZ’s press conferences where he belittled our current players, was clearly criticising the board and did nothing to distance himself from other jobs. I got a lot of shit for it at the time but this was always going to be the end result. The players (and coaches on the bench) all look absolutely shell shocked and want to be anywhere but at a football ground.

His ranting on the touchline today shows a man who is now totally out of control of the situation.

It all feels a bit “bad break up with an adventurous bunny boiler”.

I love De Zerbi, but I can’t defend this.

 

[Nixonator]

I wonder how much RDZ enjoys working with and developing young players to sell on for a profit, only to have to start the process all over again? I wonder how much any manager of the quality needed to get us regularly finishing in the top 10 likes that sort of environment? It's very difficult to succeed in a league where other teams are buying top talent and you are having to bring through unproven youngsters.

I suspect most quality managers will look at what we have, what they think they could achieve with that and one or two new signings before deciding whether to join us. De Zerbi saw a squad with Mitoma, Trossard, Mac Allister, Caicedo, March, etc and saw a team he could achieve with, perhaps supported by a couple of key signings. He's seen most of them sold off or gone out injured and the club seemingly not making the effort required to replace them with equal quality, instead relying on him to bring the kids up to standard.

That can't be done in a single season. For us as fans, or the Club to expect otherwise is unrealistic. And to expect regular top 10 finishes with this philosophy is also unrealistic and, it seems, demoralising for the manager.

It's tough going on here at the moment, but it's nice to know there's some sense scattered in amongst the noise.

As always, people credit far too much importance on the manager as an influencer.

We've sold some really great players, and whilst everyone has been gleefully counting banknotes which aren't theirs to count, they've somehow been blindsided by the fact we're a shadow of what we used to be, albeit after a brief period of running on fumes.

Sorry to say we don't have a conveyer belt of soon-to-be World Cup winners, and that stark reality should be hitting home right about now. Instead everyone's after the manager's head. Same old script.

 

[AZ Gull]

But he’s not a club manager in the old sense, as explained in a recent Martin O’Neill interview about modern football. The directors and their specialists decide which players they go after and sign, ‘managers’ now have a small say at best. Control freaks Arteta and Guardiola might be the two exceptions, Manure made the mistake of allowing Seven Hag to dictate and he signed a crock of.

New players will be signed for 4 years over a period of 2 or 3 coaches, the Albion won’t allow RDZ to determine a squad rebuild.

He’ll have to work with what the club hands him.

This Albion-supporting journalist doesn't agree with your view:-

 

[Guinness Boy]

This young Albion-supporting journalist who relies on Barber for all his material doesn't agree with your view:-

EFA

 

[AZ Gull]

EFA

I shouldn't be, but I am genuinely amazed that people can wilfully ignore the evidence available just because it doesn't support their view. There are none so blind as those that will not see.

 

[Hometownglory]

All depends if we have someone in mind who could do better with what looks a solid group of players.

The Bournemouth manager.

 

[heathgate]

RDZ got us into the Europa League playing fantastic football. The way players and other managers talk about him, he's clearly not just fluked it last year, he's an excellent coach.

Yes the last few months have been pretty dire, and yes it's very frustrating that we're not qualifying for Europe this year and probably not even top 10.

But this is his first poor period at the club and he's definitely earned some loyalty, let's give him a chance to turn things around over the summer, along with the recruitment team and the rest of the club. Sacking a manager brings instability and risk, and could quite easily go the wrong way.

He's done I am afraid,... TB will be working out the options tonight....

 

[NorthstandRacoon]

Because we allow ourselves to be that stone. Reap what you sow.

Good point.

 

[NorthstandRacoon]

The problem is not being flexible, it’s that he’s got no approach at all. We’re utterly rudderless. A shambles.

True. I still 100% think we should stick. Hes an unbelievable manager, but hes still learning for sure.

 

[amexer]

Maybe RDZ will have concerns about our recruitment dept. £18m player on bench that was to be replacement for Caceido a £18/20m CB and a new LB that was going to be next wonder kid but at the moment looks a rabbit in headlights. If we are going to spend £20m on a player it has to work. I see one of Villas young goalscorers they got ffrom championship. Maybe that is where we should be looking plus there are some good players in the relegated clubs#
PB has alredy covered himself by saying we dont always get it right.

 

[Hometownglory]

True. I still 100% think we should stick. Hes an unbelievable manager, but hes still learning for sure.

Personally, I don't think he's learning at all...his refusal to adapt shows this. Bar Sheff United we are currently the devisions whipping boys!

 

[The Fits]

RDZ got us into the Europa League playing fantastic football. The way players and other managers talk about him, he's clearly not just fluked it last year, he's an excellent coach.

Yes the last few months have been pretty dire, and yes it's very frustrating that we're not qualifying for Europe this year and probably not even top 10.

But this is his first poor period at the club and he's definitely earned some loyalty, let's give him a chance to turn things around over the summer, along with the recruitment team and the rest of the club. Sacking a manager brings instability and risk, and could quite easily go the wrong way.

RDZ introduced a new way of playing to the PL. Something that wouldn't be unfamiliar to managers in Italy, Ukraine etc.
Other managers adapted. RDZ did not.
That is the problem. Even Pep reacted. Despite knowing he had the best squad in the league already.
RDZ has gone from flavor of the month to seeming like a footballing dinosaur in months.

 

[Seagull27]

RDZ introduced a new way of playing to the PL. Something that wouldn't be unfamiliar to managers in Italy, Ukraine etc.
Other managers adapted. RDZ did not.
That is the problem. Even Pep reacted. Despite knowing he had the best squad in the league already.
RDZ has gone from flavor of the month to seeming like a footballing dinosaur in months.

Yep, he introduced a new style of playing in the PL that even made (probably)the best manager in the world for the best team in the world adapt their style.

So let's give him a chance to come up with something over the summer to give us that edge again, and give him the players to do it.

 

[Mike Small]

Next season will be about rebuilding, whoever is in charge.
If we avoid relegation it’s a good season.

If that is the case, then this is a really big fall from grace from a team that finished 6th last year. Yes we lost Ali MAc and Caidcedo but this meant millions to play with and we still had an array of good players.

If this happens, it's a failure of board level which is an incredible thing to say seeing as we are so well run. Paul Barber should quit going on Talksport and getting his arse licked by serial arse licker Jim White. Sick of all these self-aggrandising, self serving platitudes when our manager and players have been serving up such awful, weak crap for months.

 

[A mex eyecan]

Yep, he introduced a new style of playing in the PL that even made (probably)the best manager in the world for the best team in the world adapt their style.

So let's give him a chance to come up with something over the summer to give us that edge again, and give him the players to do it.

perhaps that chance though can be led by himself going public and saying that he really wants to stay and sign a new contract and hopes that TB will allow him that opportunity

 

[RandyWanger]

We stuck with that slithering dullard who's greatest hits include:

A club-record 14 home games without a win
A club record for our worst ever start to a top flight season
1 single win at the Amex in the whole of 2020
2 months without scoring at the Amex between January and April 2022
3 months without a win between September and December 2021
6 defeats in a row for the first time since 2003

No way we're getting rid of RDZ.

 

[Pavilionaire]

RdZ has been good for the club overall, but we have taken just 19 points in 19 games, 2 points out of a possible 18 and we don't look like scoring. Right now I don't know where the next point is coming from.
Something has happened behind the scenes that makes this a difficult situation to comment on. I really didn't like RDZ questioning our ambition as a club, I thought he was disrespdctful to the chairman.
Part of me feels as though RDZ and the Albion both need each other in equal measure and a good frank meeting around the table to thrash stuff out could be in everybody's interest, but another part feels as though it's history repeating for us, i.e. Poyet, Potter.
My gut feeling is that we will part company sooner rather than later. The players have looked done for weeks.