Rant of the day, this'll get you going

[Seagullible]

i can afford all my children right now (number 6 arriving soon) but next year my company might fold, i might get sick, something awful might happen to mrs starry.
next year i might not be able to afford my children.

there but for the grace of god and that.

we have social housing in this country (and it has plenty of faults) but we do not discriminate on the basis of number of spawn.

i dare say the number of (and going daily mail) teenage mums who are getting housed every single week in one/two bed properties all year long costs far more than £1500 a month, but because they are only with one or two children it does not cause that wow factor that a family with eight does.

I think the point in the original post is that the partner 'does not work'. I get benefits and am in a Housing association house but I work bloody hard and use the system to top up and help pay for essentials. I no longer get to watch the Albion because they are not an essential and providing for my family comes first.
As far as I'm concerned, the system should look very closely at those who do not work and look into why. There are enough jobs out there even on a low wage that people can do and then get assistance from the taxpayer to help them get by.

 

[British Bulldog]

As far as I'm concerned, the system should look very closely at those who do not work and look into why. .

I think they allready are and also I think a lot of people are starting to have incapacity benefits scrapped as well. Not before time I may add.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

Actually it's more a case of what they give up that's the problem. Is contraception (and the morning after pill) so hard to get hold of ?

It is when you have a busy day that involves watching Trisha, Jeremy Kyle, eating Turkey Twizzlers, picking up the JSA and smoking 40+ fags.

 

[Skint Gull]

I think the point in the original post is that the partner 'does not work'. I get benefits and am in a Housing association house but I work bloody hard and use the system to top up and help pay for essentials. I no longer get to watch the Albion because they are not an essential and providing for my family comes first.
As far as I'm concerned, the system should look very closely at those who do not work and look into why. There are enough jobs out there even on a low wage that people can do and then get assistance from the taxpayer to help them get by.

Indeed!

Example

Lazy twat does bugger all and earns 15k pa in benefits - cost to taxpayer = 15k


Lazy twat is forced to work and earns 8k pa - taxpayer tops up 7k - cost to taxpayer = 7k


How can it be any more difficult than that?

 

[Starry]

yes but none of us know why he does not work. he might be a lazy good for nothing, or he might be sick. or he might be the stay at home parent.

true bof, there are a lot of takers who give little back. but i don't think this family are any worse than the next teen mum or the single guy who was made redundant and had his home repossessed.

 

[Seagullible]

Indeed!

Example

Lazy twat does bugger all and earns 15k pa in benefits - cost to taxpayer = 15k


Lazy twat is forced to work and earns 8k pa - taxpayer tops up 7k - cost to taxpayer = 7k


How can it be any more difficult than that?

That is exactly it. I personally feel that in order to get benefits, you have to work and your pay will be topped up unless there is a very valid reason for you not being able to.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

yes but none of us know why he does not work. he might be a lazy good for nothing, or he might be sick. or he might be the stay at home parent.

true bof, there are a lot of takers who give little back. but i don't think this family are any worse than the next teen mum or the single guy who was made redundant and had his home repossessed.

Redundancy is not (generally) through choice though. This family and the countless 1,000s who have decided to start a family (or have babies), that they can ill afford, DO have the choice.

There is so much more help from the country than there used to be. Tax credits, childcare, child benefits etc. which should aid them to contribute to society, but there are people that abuse the system.

 

[Starry]

Redundancy is not (generally) through choice though. This family and the countless 1,000s who have decided to start a family (or have babies), that they can ill afford, DO have the choice.

how do you know that is what happened here?

 

[Barrel of Fun]

how do you know that is what happened here?

Well, ignoring this particular example, I am talking generally.

Although the evidence we are presented with would suggest that they have not suffered a sudden change of circumstances.

 

[Buzzer]

bollocks. Starry.

It's all down to personal responsibility. Something these leeching scum never have.

It may be alright up north where things are bleak and grim and you lot all ponce off us southerners anyway but down here we try and keep God's own county as he made us. Decent, hard-working, beautiful and fair.

If you like 'em you can have them. I'm sure they'll fit in quite nicely up there

 

[Simster]

Starry lives in Hampshire LEE you big CLOWN.

 

[bhaexpress]

It is when you have a busy day that involves watching Trisha, Jeremy Kyle, eating Turkey Twizzlers, picking up the JSA and smoking 40+ fags.

Well the problem is obvious, they suffer from clinical depression and the above are the cause

 

[Buzzer]

Starry lives in Hampshire LEE you big CLOWN.

I bet it's NORTH Hampshire.

Anyhow, I'm quite pleased with that polemic. I may use it again

 

[Les Biehn]

But what if you give birth to sextuplets? You can't help that.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

But what if you give birth to sextuplets? You can't help that.

They are allowed to keep 2.4. The remaining 3.6 shall be donated for scientific testing.

 

[The Antikythera Mechanism]

Bring back Workhouses - I believe Brighton General was one once. Mr Bumble will sort 'em out!

 

[Bevendean Hillbilly]

Every now and then we hear about one of these dysfunctional,social class five ponce families and when we do everyone goes diddlo about it. Fact is our society has decided to support our citizens even if they are percieved as worthless spongers provided they are deemed to be in need of support...what that means folks is ALL of us could start pumping out kids, live on benefits in a massive house and never work again...so, why don't we? Probably because we realise that their lifestyle is likely pretty nasty and we prefer to control our own destiny. Let them get on with it.

 

[johnnyjetlag]

Maybe it's time we rewarded people for NOT having kids. Less mouths to feed on this planet the better I say...

 

[Starry]

bollocks. Starry.

It's all down to personal responsibility. Something these leeching scum never have.

It may be alright up north where things are bleak and grim and you lot all ponce off us southerners anyway but down here we try and keep God's own county as he made us. Decent, hard-working, beautiful and fair.

If you like 'em you can have them. I'm sure they'll fit in quite nicely up there

indeed, i have never (nor would i ever) live up north because it is as you say and i am fortunate enough to provide my children with a better quality of life than that

i do believe in personal responsibility, i wouldn't be where i am today if i didn't. but i realise that there are people less fortunate than ourselves, like i said the system is not without it faults but i am not sure how you can change it and make it work.

what would kicking this family to the streets do?

how would you reform the social housing system in this country?

 

[binky]

I think that as a compassionate society, we, (the taxpayer, through aour agent, the government), should provide a safety net for those that fall through the cracks, and are in need of support.

That support should be focussed on shelter, warmth and food. Nobody should starve or die from exposure.
However, with stories like this, it appears that we are giving much more than the basic needs.
There was a news story on the TV a while back, where a single mother was relating how hard her life was, and how little money she had, and how the government should do more.
In the background of the shot was a huge flat screen TV. The kid was wearing Nike Trainers.

Now I consider myself well off, but I can't afford a 7 bedroom house, Nike trainers, or a flat screen TV.
Yet I am paying for all of these things for other people to enjoy.

The world is nuts! Go figure.