Rangers alternative proposals are laughable!

[Pinkie Brown]

Just seen this on SSN. Basically they're not happy about the new proposals in the reforms of Scottish Football as it will mean they will remain in the bottom tier so here are the solutions (and yes these are OFFICIAL proposals):

1) Move to the English Premier League (No chance. Note to Mr Green: Promotion to the Premier League has to earned by...well, promotion. Glasgow Rangers may think they are a 'big' club, but south of the border, they are nobodies)

2) Join the Football League (They can f*** right off)

3) Buy out a club. Remember they tried buying out Bury?! (As above)

4) This is my favourite: Buy an MLS franchise but still play home games in Scotland (They can save their bigoted bile for when they play away in Boston I guess?)

5) Super League - set up of the best of the best apparently (Play Celtic 42 times a season)

6) North Atlantic league / Berlingua (however you spell it) (They can play Iceland & The Outer Hebrides finest)

All in all a massive joke set of proposals, the only sensible one is joining the Football League, yet that will not happen at all (None of them are sensible)

Thoughts?!

 

[Pavilionaire]

It's f***ing obvious why it's not there

Why the face palm? Its a more realistic proposition that a Northern European League for starters. Ireland, Wales and Scotland all have weak domestic leagues and under-performing national teams, if they got their shit together like the rugby union it might work. What they've got now sure as hell doesn't.

 

[8ace]

Why the face palm? Its a more realistic proposition that a Northern European League for starters. Ireland, Wales and Scotland all have weak domestic leagues and under-performing national teams, if they got their shit together like the rugby union it might work. What they've got now sure as hell doesn't.

Shamrock Rovers vs Rangers
Celtic vs Linfield
Derry vs Hearts
Hibs vs Glentoran
Swansea vs Cardiff
etc etc

It would be aggro-central every week.

 

[Pavilionaire]

Shamrock Rovers vs Rangers
Celtic vs Linfield
Derry vs Hearts
Hibs vs Glentoran
Swansea vs Cardiff
etc etc

It would be aggro-central every week.

I disagree. There will be security issues at a handful of fixtures involving Celtic and Rangers, but you think there wouldn't if Rangers or Celtic were playing in England or against some of the Dutch teams?

 

[Hamilton]

Why the face palm? Its a more realistic proposition that a Northern European League for starters. Ireland, Wales and Scotland all have weak domestic leagues and under-performing national teams, if they got their shit together like the rugby union it might work. What they've got now sure as hell doesn't.

Wales already have Swansea in the Premier League and Cardiff pushing to join them. That leaves Wrexham, and 1) I don't think that's the sort of team that Rangers are dreaming of playing, and 2) I actually think Wrexham would turn them down in the interests of staying in the FA Cup and going for promotion to League 2.

Unless you were thinking of the mighty Newport Town etc.

As for Ireland... I think the last thing that Ireland needs (North or South) is a visit from Rangers or Celtic.

 

[Hamilton]

Maybe Blackburn and Rangers should set up their own unique league. They both appear to be living on other planets.

 

[Pavilionaire]

I think that it makes no sense at all to have a League Of Wales and still have Welsh clubs competing in England. Similarly, if the Welsh are allowed in then, logically, so should the Scots. The English game will be fine but unless something new comes along the supporters of clubs in the Irish, Welsh and Scottish leagues will continue to watch shit football in shit stadiums for decades to come.

 

[Elvis]

Why the face palm? Its a more realistic proposition that a Northern European League for starters. Ireland, Wales and Scotland all have weak domestic leagues and under-performing national teams, if they got their shit together like the rugby union it might work. What they've got now sure as hell doesn't.

Would be interesting! although the chances of this happening are greatly reduced with the swans in the prem and the redbirds on the verge of promotion to the big money league.

 

[ATFC Seagull]

Why the face palm? Its a more realistic proposition that a Northern European League for starters. Ireland, Wales and Scotland all have weak domestic leagues and under-performing national teams, if they got their shit together like the rugby union it might work. What they've got now sure as hell doesn't.

Rangers and Celtic are held back in European terms because the clubs that they share their national league with are tiny - which holds back the "size" and "competitiveness" of the league, which holds back the money that goes into it. This means they can't compete financially or in terms of attracting signings with clubs that are "smaller" than them (in terms of merchandise sales, average crowd sizes etc) in countries like England, Spain, Italy, Germany, France, even Portugal, Greece, Turkey, Russia.

How exactly would them moving into a league full of teams SMALLER than those in the SPL possibly improve this situation?? There is no-one in the Welsh League or either Irish league anywhere near the size of Hibs, Hearts, Aberdeen, Dundee Utd, Dundee, Motherwell.

 

[8ace]

I disagree. There will be security issues at a handful of fixtures involving Celtic and Rangers, but you think there wouldn't if Rangers or Celtic were playing in England or against some of the Dutch teams?

There isn't the sectarian element playing english or dutch teams. All those teams apart from the welsh teams are have a sectarian element to their support to a greater or lesser extent (Maybe swop Crusaders for Glentoran though). When Rangers drew Shelbourne in the UEFA Cup where did they play the away leg?

 

[Hamilton]

I think that it makes no sense at all to have a League Of Wales and still have Welsh clubs competing in England. Similarly, if the Welsh are allowed in then, logically, so should the Scots. The English game will be fine but unless something new comes along the supporters of clubs in the Irish, Welsh and Scottish leagues will continue to watch shit football in shit stadiums for decades to come.

But there are very good reasons why the welsh teams find themselves in the English leagues - fortunate reasons maybe, but good ones - and no good argument to support the break up of the Scottish league just because Rangers don't like it anymore. Tough. Sort your own domestic league out I say, and leave those of others alone.

 

[Pavilionaire]

Rangers and Celtic are held back in European terms because the clubs that they share their national league with are tiny - which holds back the "size" and "competitiveness" of the league, which holds back the money that goes into it. This means they can't compete financially or in terms of attracting signings with clubs that are "smaller" than them (in terms of merchandise sales, average crowd sizes etc) in countries like England, Spain, Italy, Germany, France, even Portugal, Greece, Turkey, Russia.

How exactly would them moving into a league full of teams SMALLER than those in the SPL possibly improve this situation?? There is no-one in the Welsh League or either Irish league anywhere near the size of Hibs, Hearts, Aberdeen, Dundee Utd, Dundee, Motherwell.

If you were going to do a Celtic League you'd have to create something new, some clubs would need to merge. A Belfast club with no sectarian side to it could be a force for real good, similarly it would be interesting to have a Dublin club capable of being competitive in Europe.

I made the point earlier that there are too many teams in Scotland, often pairs of clubs just a few miles apart. Even Hearts have players working part- time. This shows the SPL hasn't worked as planned.

 

[Bigtomfu]

You wouldn't let it lie would you?

 

[Ali_rrr]

If Rangers were still top of the SPL they would be behind this re structure and wouldn't give a shit about the teams in the 3rd Div missing out on promotion this season.

f*** the Tax dodgers I say.

This.

Shamrock Rovers vs Rangers
Celtic vs Linfield
Derry vs Hearts
Hibs vs Glentoran
Swansea vs Cardiff
etc etc

It would be aggro-central every week.

I don't think the Police would fancy it either!

 

[HastingsSeagull]

They need a Celtic Prem a bit like in Rugby (possibly the system?). Top all-professional teams from Scotland, Wales, Ireland and Northern Ireland all together and then semi-pro domestic pyramid below. Could take a bit of setting up but could work well I.M.V.H.O.

 

[ATFC Seagull]

If you were going to do a Celtic League you'd have to create something new, some clubs would need to merge. A Belfast club with no sectarian side to it could be a force for real good, similarly it would be interesting to have a Dublin club capable of being competitive in Europe.

I made the point earlier that there are too many teams in Scotland, often pairs of clubs just a few miles apart. Even Hearts have players working part- time. This shows the SPL hasn't worked as planned.

I see what you are saying but just can't see it happening - when has merging clubs/creating new clubs ever worked in football? In Dublin there are already several clubs with as much history as any in this country, in my opinion their fans aren't going to drop them to see a new "super-club", or even worse see their side get axed or merged with a bitter rival. Likewise in Belfast, there is another thread running about the bitter hatred lingering there, and dare I say that football probably brings out the worst rather than the best of it a lot of the time (although Glentoran already are a bit cross-divide). And when you take Swansea, Cardiff and Wrexham out of the equation, the Welsh Premier is non-league clubs in non-league towns (or even villages), I don't see any scope for enlargement.

It's a very positive idea but I don't see it being one the big clubs in Scotland would have any need to buy into.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

If you're doing a Celtic league you also invite teams from Brittany in France seeing as it's a Celtic province. Outside chance of nabbing a team from Galicia in Spain for the same reason.

 

[Yoda]

Also, lets say rangers join the English league system. Where does that leave them if the Scottish public vote for independence?

 

[yxee]

if the Welsh are allowed in then, logically, so should the Scots.

But Scotland is much further away than Cardiff/Swansea...

 

[Philzo-93]

They are where they are because they broke rules and suffered the consequences. Instead of whining about how they deserve to be playing with the big boys they should man up, take thier medicine and work thier nuts off to get back to the top flight (in Scottish terms).

That or buy up Portsmouth.

They tried buying Bury but that got rejected instantly!