Racist (?) ex-soldier jailed. your take on it.

[Deleted member 22389]

I live somewhere with wonderful integration. I wonder why it works in some places and not others.

If you live somewhere where integration is working, can I ask you where that is and why you think it is working?
Living and splitting my time between Sussex and Luton, even after 8 years I am still not used to the place. I get the feeling that the gap between faiths, culture is just getting bigger.

May be my own ignorance perhaps, but I just feel especially amongst some women of certain religions, they are being told not to integrate, not to adopt a western culture and only talk to their own people. I think this is bad for all.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

I really don't know what to say about this comment.

What is to say?

Society has become so lazy that grammar matters little any more.

We had a perfectly good word like bigotry already available to sum up such a matter.

Instead the PC brigade tie it to a word that carries more venom and it gets thrown around left right and centre by countless morons who use the term to incite and brand people.

Disliking Muslims does not make someone racist given a Muslim can be blonde haired, blue eyed and the son of John and Betty Smith.

 

[BadFish]

Given the amount of language evolution in Oz you're probably right

oi! fair dunkum cobber, you are a true blue flaming gala. bonza beauty mate.

 

[DTES]

I often laugh at how Islam has become a race of people over time due to the stupidity of the PC brigade.

Interesting to note is that neither Church of England nor Roman Catholics have ever had the benefit of it being "racist" when attacking people from those faiths.

Can you give some examples of what you mean them being "attacked"? If a church were vandalised with messages saying the Christians weren't welcome in this (or any) country, I would certainly view that as racism. Saying their beliefs are wrong (e.g. the church's view on homosexuality) is not racism.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

oi! fair dunkum cobber, you are a true blue flaming gala. bonza beauty mate.

 

[Falkor]

I can see that, but my question was why does the racial involment make it so much worse?

Surely thats obvious only reason it was racial was for the term used painted on the building, if he had just left a pigs head there, it would have been classed as the same as the poppy incident.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

Can you give some examples of what you mean them being "attacked"? If a church were vandalised with messages saying the Christians weren't welcome in this (or any) country, I would certainly view that as racism. Saying their beliefs are wrong (e.g. the church's view on homosexuality) is not racism.

So would you consider someone vandalising a Scientology building racist?

I certainly wouldn't, even though their faith is no different to that of a Muslim or a Christian in their mind.


There's hundreds of examples in Britain of RC and CoE churches being torched or vandalised over history. None of those were racist attacks. They were sectarian.

There's also plenty of examples of Muslims from different sects within that faith attacking each other, is this racist?

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

oi! fair dunkum cobber, you are a true blue flaming gala. bonza beauty mate.

Galah!

A Gala is an event

 

[Tom Bombadil]

I often laugh at how Islam has become a race of people over time due to the stupidity of the PC brigade.

Interesting to note is that neither Church of England nor Roman Catholics have ever had the benefit of it being "racist" when attacking people from those faiths.

We have two winners in the race binfest sweepstake. So if you had post 156 for either PC Brigade or first post by Aussie Racist, you've just won a tenner.

 

[BadFish]

Galah!

A Gala is an event

Bloody spelling police. I have been here 10 years and I still can't speak the lingo!

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

We have two winners in the race binfest sweepstake. So if you had post 156 for either PC Brigade or first post by Aussie Racist, you've just won a tenner.

Myopia rules in your world.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

Bloody spelling police. I have been here 10 years and I still can't speak the lingo!

Well at least next time if you take the kids to Gala Day you won't look silly talking about Galah Day out aloud

 

[User removed 4]

Fair enough

[MENTION=11956]bushy[/MENTION] ?

they should both have been treated equally, thats for certain, i'm not sure jail is the answer in either case, not when so many other crimes that i would certainly consider more serious dont attract custodial sentences.

 

[BadFish]

If you live somewhere where integration is working, can I ask you where that is and why you think it is working?
Living and splitting my time between Sussex and Luton, even after 8 years I am still not used to the place. I get the feeling that the gap between faiths, culture is just getting bigger.

May be my own ignorance perhaps, but I just feel especially amongst some women of certain religions, they are being told not to integrate, not to adopt a western culture and only talk to their own people. I think this is bad for all.

I live in Geelong in Australia, and i will admit that wonderful was a bit over the top, but we dod celebrate diversity and a festa once a year and i have not experienced any racial problems (apart from being called a pom).

I think the problems are less about different cultures not being about to integrate and more about the pressures of living in deprived areas. People will share if their is plenty to share but when their is little they will pull up the drawbridge and band together. This bandning together seems to be along racial or religious lines, somehting which is a natural human reaction. The solution is to provide people with self respect, job and a pride in themselves and their community. This takes cash and a political will that is seemingly missing in parts of the UK.

 

[BadFish]

Well at least next time if you take the kids to Gala Day you won't look silly talking about Galah Day out aloud

Let along buying those tickets to a f***ing bird.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

I live in Geelong in Australia, and i will admit that wonderful was a bit over the top, but we dod celebrate diversity and a festa once a year and i have not experienced any racial problems (apart from being called a pom).

I think the problems are less about different cultures not being about to integrate and more about the pressures of living in deprived areas. People will share if their is plenty to share but when their is little they will pull up the drawbridge and band together. This bandning together seems to be along racial or religious lines, somehting which is a natural human reaction. The solution is to provide people with self respect, job and a pride in themselves and their community. This takes cash and a political will that is seemingly missing in parts of the UK.

Pako Fest food!!

One day of the year I starve myself leading up to so I can fit as much international cuisine into the belly.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

Let along buying those tickets to a f***ing bird.

You have to go pay to see it now?

 

[DTES]

There's hundreds of examples in Britain of RC and CoE churches being torched or vandalised over history. None of those were racist attacks. They were sectarian.

There's also plenty of examples of Muslims from different sects within that faith attacking each other, is this racist?

These attacks were not committed because the victim was Muslim. So no, they obviously weren't racist.

Whether Scientology is a religion at all is an entirely separate debate. For me, no, it isn't - it's a cult.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Disliking Muslims does not make someone racist given a Muslim can be blonde haired, blue eyed and the son of John and Betty Smith.

Indeed, it makes them a religious bigot.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

These attacks were not committed because the victim was Muslim. So no, they obviously weren't racist.

Whether Scientology is a religion at all is an entirely separate debate. For me, no, it isn't - it's a cult.

Which is my point.

If the solider is an atheist, isn't Islam to him then nothing more than a cult with no basis?