[Misc] Racism v. Foul Language. Which is Worse?

[portlock seagull]

"Sharing your opinion" by starting a thread and then bleating about people slagging you off for it is about as "snowflake" as you can get.

Funny how it's the people who complain about others taking offence at everything who have the thinnest skin.

Say what you want but don't go crying to mummy when the big boys throw some rocks at you. Petal.

Cowford doesn’t strike me as thin skinned. Misguided perhaps. Not deserving of some of the more vile replies either. Personally I don’t think eithers acceptable at football or anywhere anymore. Both are arrestable offences so perhaps people should keep such mutterings to themselves regardless. And with phones and cameras everywhere employing lip reading technology you’ve got to be foolish to swear in a public place especially a football ground where surveillance is high and constantly looking for such perpetrators. There but for the grace of god go us, I’ve sworn at football matches many times. Not anymore. Lose your job, house, the lot potentially. Best sit and be quiet. Even if not swearing plenty people dislike shouting and will report you for that too. Then you’re on a watch list, waiting for you to trip up.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

Even worse than racism and swearing is white people speaking with a West Indian/Gangsta/Street/Whatever lingo. Know what I mean blud, innit fam?

Haha, MLE is an abhorrent creation.

 

[LlcoolJ]

Cowford doesn’t strike me as thin skinned. Misguided perhaps. Not deserving of some of the more vile replies either. Personally I don’t think eithers acceptable at football or anywhere anymore. Both are arrestable offences so perhaps people should keep such mutterings to themselves regardless. And with phones and cameras everywhere employing lip reading technology you’ve got to be foolish to swear in a public place especially a football ground where surveillance is high and constantly looking for such perpetrators. There but for the grace of god go us, I’ve sworn at football matches many times. Not anymore. Lose your job, house, the lot potentially. Best sit and be quiet. Even if not swearing plenty people dislike shouting and will report you for that too. Then you’re on a watch list, waiting for you to trip up.

His post said he knew he'd get some grief but he was thick skinned.

Then he took offence at the first (obvious, harmless and funny) joke, swearing at him.

You couldn't make this shit up.

 

[stewart12]

Why make this personal? am l not entitled to an opinion?

of course you are

as am I

 

[rippleman]

In a football match context swearing is absolutely fine. I think I know all the swearwords and use most of them quite regularly. My only inhibition is that I would NEVER use the C word if there are ladies present. Dunno why really; I just never have and never would.

I don't get the OP trying to link the two issues on a "which is worse" basis. Racism is of course. Then homophobia. Then swearing somewhere down near the bottom.

 

[blue-shifted]

OP, don't think you're a bad fella, but you've got this very wrong. It very much comes across like you're trying to make some sort of point that racism isn't that bad. Not sure if you are making that point or not, but I'm certain you won't publicly admit it.

The PR crisis consultant in me says, best swallow some pride, make some unequivocal statements and put it down to experience.

 

[Bakero]

Cowford doesn’t strike me as thin skinned. Misguided perhaps. Not deserving of some of the more vile replies either. Personally I don’t think eithers acceptable at football or anywhere anymore. Both are arrestable offences so perhaps people should keep such mutterings to themselves regardless. And with phones and cameras everywhere employing lip reading technology you’ve got to be foolish to swear in a public place especially a football ground where surveillance is high and constantly looking for such perpetrators. There but for the grace of god go us, I’ve sworn at football matches many times. Not anymore. Lose your job, house, the lot potentially. Best sit and be quiet. Even if not swearing plenty people dislike shouting and will report you for that too. Then you’re on a watch list, waiting for you to trip up.

Lose your job and house for swearing at a football match?

 

[rippleman]

Cowford doesn’t strike me as thin skinned. Misguided perhaps. Not deserving of some of the more vile replies either. Personally I don’t think eithers acceptable at football or anywhere anymore. Both are arrestable offences so perhaps people should keep such mutterings to themselves regardless. And with phones and cameras everywhere employing lip reading technology you’ve got to be foolish to swear in a public place especially a football ground where surveillance is high and constantly looking for such perpetrators. There but for the grace of god go us, I’ve sworn at football matches many times. Not anymore. Lose your job, house, the lot potentially. Best sit and be quiet. Even if not swearing plenty people dislike shouting and will report you for that too. Then you’re on a watch list, waiting for you to trip up.

You are never going to get arrested at football for a "Oh for ****s sake Webster". That's plain daft. The OB don't have the cells to cope. Arrest one for saying that then they gotta arrest all.

Let's have the stewards and OB focussing on the racists and homophobes at football.

 

[BN9 BHA]

With all the current attempts to cut racism out of sport, aided by the Kick It Out campaign, and with stewards at the Amex and outher football stadia jumping on individuals who show even the slightest racist tendencies, it got me thinking.

To my mind what is just as bad, and far more common, is the use of foul language across the game, now l absolutely abhor the C word, especially when it is used around women and children, but of course absolutely nothing is done to stop or even curb that.

Now l know that many people will say that swearing is just a part of life nowadays, and to an extent that's true, but l think people can go much too far at times, and at it's worst l see it as just as big a problem as racism.

Doubtless some will vilify me for my opinion, but l've got a thick skin!

I'm surprised Cowfold, very odd thread to start, I can imagine about 2 people on this forum starting a thread like this but not you.

Obviously racism, if you needed telling BTW.

 

[Megazone]

My biggest concern is how someone can actually come up with this 'debate' within their own head and then believe it would be worth starting a thread about on NSC. It's such a stupid thing to start it makes signing adebayor look like a good idea

What's worse, the intended debate or the thread?

 

[neilbard]

Racism

 

[BNthree]

 

[piersa]

Swearing in context is wonderful.

Racism is ****ing shit

 

[portlock seagull]

You are never going to get arrested at football for a "Oh for ****s sake Webster". That's plain daft. The OB don't have the cells to cope. Arrest one for saying that then they gotta arrest all.

Let's have the stewards and OB focussing on the racists and homophobes at football.

It’s not as far fetched as you think. I said ‘tosser’ once at Leyton Orient player and got a right dressing down from a policeman and threatened with arrest / ejection. That was before social media and internet took off. But What you’re missing is these days you can get caught in a social media or just media storm that’s vicious as hell and not interested in truth. It’s just headlines people read. Being a football fan you’re guilty as charged, doesn’t matter what was said or even if you’re found not guilty (unlikely, because you’re a football fan) it’s too late. You’re all over the media and businesses don’t like that so you could very well get fired. That is very common now, plenty of cases like that for what most people would say down the pub ‘that’s a bit harsh’ or if you know the person ‘that’s utterly ridiculous, they can’t do that...’ But they can and have. And all started on a Sat afternoon when you shouted something at a football match, we’re reported, ejected, arrested...then you’re in a washing machine of press on a rapid spin cycle with no control. And there have been plenty of people spat out the other side in just the predicament. So there! You may not believe it. Until it happens to you. Or someone you know.

 

[portlock seagull]

Lose your job and house for swearing at a football match?

Yep. Can happen. Has done in many many other such minor ‘crime’ instances

 

[Uh_huh_him]

Obviously racism is worse.. which of course you knew..

When it comes to using the C word at football, I will confess that I use it profusely during an Albion game.
I don't really mean any malice with it, but i guess football provides a certain release that allows me to use the word with a level of impunity.

I'm sure there are some less enlightened people who feel the same way about racist language at football.
That it should somehow be acceptable/overlooked in the heated atmosphere of a match.

It shouldn't.
It betrays an underlying belief that other races are somehow inferior/unwanted, which leads to hatred and worse.

Foul language just betrays a fairly immature attitude to the shock value of "naughty words"
I am guilty of that.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

There is no comparison, good swearing is nothing more than an alternative use of descriptive language. See ‘Peter Cook’ for reference.

This thread needs a bit of comedy. For younger readers unfamiliar with the ouvre, don't open this link with the easily-offended in earshot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYGy-j_oH5Q

Edit: apologies, I didn't see what the link front page looked like

 

[Bakero]

Yep. Can happen. Has done in many many other such minor ‘crime’ instances

Interesting. Surely it involved more than swearing, though. Some kind of threat, perhaps?

 

[portslade seagull]

Racism all day long having experienced it years ago

 

[Iggle Piggle]

I'm not as absolute about this as a lot of you. Cowfolds example isn't great but I'll give you some others :

1. Chanting about Billy Sharps dead baby
2. Wishing cancer on Granit Xhaka's kids
3. Chanting about Lewis Dunk being a rapist.
4. Calling someone a (insert colour, insert expletive here)

We have rightly as a society cut down on 4. Why is 1-3 seemingly tolerated? 2 and 3 have happened this season.