[NSC] R5 today,C/punishment or life term tariff.

[Leekbrookgull]

Maybe a few of you heard the conversation,bit old school here but for serious stuff,life term no parole.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Wasn't that this morning? News travel slowly to Leek?

 

[Sarisbury Seagull]

Tory voter wet dream.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Life ( and full life ). There is no justification ever for the death penalty. Too many innocents killed by the state in the past and currently across the world.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Maybe a few of you heard the conversation,bit old school here but for serious stuff,life term no parole.

I agree completely and isn't that we we have ?

There's no way Brady, Hindley, Bishop, Huntley, Nilsen, Adebolajo, Adebowale, Whiting, Copeland, etc etc were and are ever getting out

I may be in a minority, but I don't think that British Justice system does a bad job (other than the chronic underfunding problems the current Government has caused)

 

[hart's shirt]

“Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life.
Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement.”

J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship Of The Ring

 

[jcdenton08]

“Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life.
Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement.”

J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship Of The Ring

On the other hand;

“Boil ‘em, mash ‘em, stick ‘em in a stew”

Both sides make good points.

 

[portlock seagull]

Boring radio 5 regular debate. Usual hysterics from both sides. It’s not coming back, ever, and both sides know it. Meanwhile on Radio 6…

 

[Hugo Rune]

Life ( and full life ). There is no justification ever for the death penalty. Too many innocents killed by the state in the past and currently across the world.

I don’t think a state ever has the right to take a life. The death sentence is obviously not a deterrent as can be demonstrated so clearly in the USA.

So the compelling argument is the costs saved from housing, feeding and protecting the convicted person. Whilst this is an interesting argument, the government would only end up paying millions in lawyers fees fighting various appeals. And then if evidence is overturned after an execution, they’d have to payout millions, perhaps billions in compensation for killing the wrong person.

Just stick em on in the slammer and throw away the key if they have committed evil enough crimes.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I agree completely and isn't that we we have ?

There's no way Brady, Hindley, Bishop, Huntley, Nilsen, Adebolajo, Adebowale, Whiting, Copeland, etc etc were and are ever getting out

I may be in a minority, but I don't think that British Justice system does a bad job (other than the chronic underfunding problems the current Government has caused)

Agree. Apart from the apparent almost total lack of any sort of rehabilitation, meaning prison becomes a university for the training of criminals.

 

[Beach Hut]

Attention seeking, meeting agreed objectives on thread starting so 17:15, BBC1 weekdays it is

 

[Barnet Seagull]

I guess the question is whether you think people are born innately evil or are a product of their environment.
With over 25% of those in prison population having previously been in the care system (rising to near 50% of those aged under 21) I know where I'd put my money.

Inequality breeds crime. Tackle the root cause and you have less people in prison and less dependency on social care. Less people in prison and needing social care = more money avialable to rehabilitate and less of an unhealthy training ground for criminals.

Unfortunately, the links between inequality, crime, social care and prison don't seem to be grasped by many of our MPs

 

[WATFORD zero]

Agree. Apart from the apparent almost total lack of any sort of rehabilitation, meaning prison becomes a university for the training of criminals.

Agree completely. I think anyone who is capable of reading anything beyond a three word slogan knows how much better it is to rehabilitate than punish, but I was referring to the very tiny percentage for whom that would be a waste of money.

And not the somewhat larger percentage that won't be capable of reading beyond a three word slogan

 

[vegster]

If a majority of the population would like the death penalty for serious crimes then so be it. But, only under the auspices that those who support the death penalty all have to physically carry out an execution.

Its always nice to be part of the crowd baying for blood, not so nice when you have to be the one that fits the noose.

Edit : As an aside, isn't this a marvellous distraction from the real deep seated problems of our collapsing society ? Surely the Tories have ALWAYS been tough on crime and sentencing? If only there were enough police and an efficient system of prosecution? Oh...

 

[vegster]

I don’t think a state ever has the right to take a life. The death sentence is obviously not a deterrent as can be demonstrated so clearly in the USA.

So the compelling argument is the costs saved from housing, feeding and protecting the convicted person. Whilst this is an interesting argument, the government would only end up paying millions in lawyers fees fighting various appeals. And then if evidence is overturned after an execution, they’d have to payout millions, perhaps billions in compensation for killing the wrong person.

Just stick em on in the slammer and throw away the key if they have committed evil enough crimes.

Re your reference to the death penalty in the US. I'm thinking that the death penalty might just reduce serious crime and murder if the death penalty applied to deaths caused by police officers too ?

 

[BadFish]

Boring radio 5 regular debate. Usual hysterics from both sides. It’s not coming back, ever, and both sides know it. Meanwhile on Radio 6…

The Men They Couldn't Hang?

 

[GT49er]

If a majority of the population would like the death penalty for serious crimes then so be it. But, only under the auspices that those who support the death penalty all have to physically carry out an execution.

All? Bloody hell - that would be an awful lot of executions! The bar would have to come down to something like 12 points on your licence to provide enough executees!

 

[kentgully]

Waste of a conversation, never gonna happen...

 

[Westdene Seagull]

All? Bloody hell - that would be an awful lot of executions! The bar would have to come down to something like 12 points on your licence to provide enough executees!

The rate this government are taking away freedoms protesting and striking will be punished by death so there will be plenty of executees to go round. I'm sure Timmy will be first in line to carry one out.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

If a majority of the population would like the death penalty for serious crimes then so be it. But, only under the auspices that those who support the death penalty all have to physically carry out an execution.

Its always nice to be part of the crowd baying for blood, not so nice when you have to be the one that fits the noose.

Edit : As an aside, isn't this a marvellous distraction from the real deep seated problems of our collapsing society ? Surely the Tories have ALWAYS been tough on crime and sentencing? If only there were enough police and an efficient system of prosecution? Oh...

One of my thoughts has always been that I wouldn’t be prepared to pull the lever/flick the switch myself, and wouldn’t expect anyone else to have to do it for me.

and on your first sentence, it always gets me when people in government say “we are doing what the people want”, particularly about immigration. Firstly I don’t think it’s necessarily true, but mainly because the government should be there to do what is best for the country and its people……. And that is a philosophical point rather that an attempt to argue about immigration or the death penalty.

but how anybody can attempt to use “nobody ever reoffended after being executed” as a serious intellectual argument amazes me.