[News] R 'n' B nonce jailed...

[jakarta]

Cock and Roll as Glitter once sang. His music is also still available.

I suppose it must be available if you want to find it it but his stuff is never played on mainline media, TOTP2 always has his stuff removed and haven't heard him on the Radio in years...

 

[Springal]

No it's not irrelevant. 'Featuring' something is not same as promoting it.

Let us hope this horrible mans fate does send a message to the Rap Community about their attitude to women (or Ho's as I believe is the generic term)

R Kelly isn’t even a rapper. He’s a singer.

You appear to think because he’s black he is some kind of gangster rapper.

I doubt you’ll even find anything about ‘hoes’ or ‘bitches’ in his lyrics. As Harty said many of his songs are used at peoples funerals….

 

[jakarta]

R Kelly isn’t even a rapper. He’s a singer.

You appear to think because he’s black he is some kind of gangster rapper.

I doubt you’ll even find anything about ‘hoes’ or ‘bitches’ in his lyrics. As Harty said many of his songs are used at peoples funerals….

Oh, I didn't get it, if a SINGER gets up to this stuff it makes it OK then. You clearly should have been on his Defence Team...

 

[Springal]

Oh, I didn't get it, if a SINGER gets up to this stuff it makes it OK then. You clearly should have been on his Defence Team...

What are you going on about ?

You’re the one talking about offensive lyrics, rappers being shot etc. None of this relates to either this case or the person convicted of it.

 

[Whitechapel]

Oh, I didn't get it, if a SINGER gets up to this stuff it makes it OK then. You clearly should have been on his Defence Team...

Nobody said it makes it okay, but you look either incredibly thick or mildly racist when you lament the whole of the American rap scene for something done by somebody who was never a rapper. As has been pointed out he made songs that were commonly played at funerals and was a staple on the X-Factor and similar shows. He’s about as close to being a rapper as Elvis Manu was to being a Premier League footballer.

For what it’s worth I think it’s more of a case of you; like most people on this forum, being painfully middle-aged but not willing to admit your last fleeting glance at pop culture was 15-20 years ago which is why whenever rap is brought up on this forum it’s like going back in a time-warp where Gangsta rap was the great moral panic.

Although why you’re now doubling down is anybodies guess.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

I didn’t miss it, I ignored it because it’s entirely irrelevant.

Unless of course we’re going to start demonising directors who dare to feature ‘gang culture, violence, drugs etc’. But they haven’t committed any crimes by talking about them either so…

Happy to demonize them as well. Not sure if that diminishes the point. If you worked in a school in a deprived area you would see first hand the damage done by these people. You would also have attended County Lines training and would know that such glorification is pretty nasty. Rap is still inextricably linked to gangs. I am only responding to the point about rap by the way. I know the singer mentioned on this thread is not a rapper, before you think I am painfully out of touch and middle aged. The latter yes but I reckon my job brings me into closer contact with this than many on here.

 

[jcdenton08]

Happy to demonize them as well. Not sure if that diminishes the point. If you worked in a school in a deprived area you would see first hand the damage done by these people. You would also have attended County Lines training and would know that such glorification is pretty nasty. Rap is still inextricably linked to gangs. I am only responding to the point about rap by the way. I know the singer mentioned on this thread is not a rapper, before you think I am painfully out of touch and middle aged. The latter yes but I reckon my job brings me into closer contact with this than many on here.

Of course what you say is right.

The thing is - bearing in mind I'm mixed race myself - any issue which touches on race, if you criticise something attached to someone's race, you are going to be called racist.

It's the way of the world.

It's the difference between saying "gangsta rap glorifies gang culture amongst black youths" and "everyone who listens to gangsta rap is black and are criminals".

The former is objectively true, the latter demonises black people.

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Side note, a big part of the problem is historically the same rationale was used by racists and xenophobes with the classic "I just want to have a discussion about immigration". The problem was I found when I actually engaged with these people, they ended up saying racist stuff and completely destroyed any valid discussion to be had about immigration policy.

 

[jcdenton08]

In addition to the above, he was an Rhythm and/or Blues singer, not a rap singer, from The Top of the Pops, so the whole thing is pretty irrelevant from a race perspective.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Of course what you say is right.

The thing is - bearing in mind I'm mixed race myself - any issue which touches on race, if you criticise something attached to someone's race, you are going to be called racist.

It's the way of the world.

It's the difference between saying "gangsta rap glorifies gang culture amongst black youths" and "everyone who listens to gangsta rap is black and are criminals".

The former is objectively true, the latter demonises black people.

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Side note, a big part of the problem is historically the same rationale was used by racists and xenophobes with the classic "I just want to have a discussion about immigration". The problem was I found when I actually engaged with these people, they ended up saying racist stuff and completely destroyed any valid discussion to be had about immigration policy.

I guess what you are saying is sometimes but not always true. We all contribute with our experience and you are rightly sensitive to the comments of a certain type of person. My comments are actually about the influence of that music on predominantly white gang members and their hangers on. I don’t see it as a black issue as I have only seen it in East Anglia and Merseyside. It’s a more interesting discussion than the non rapper fella in the thread title.

 

[The Clamp]

come on H , plenty of big names involved in Epstiens little menage, she's just a stool pigeon for them .

She was a recruiter. And an enemy to her own gender. She should be punished severely.

 

[BN9 BHA]

Unfortunately sings some classic funeral tunes, Worlds Greatest, I believe I can fly and If could turn back the hands of time, now sadly lost from the Crem and Cemetery set list forever......

Did ‘Burn it up’ or (buried) ‘Down low’ ever get played?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Lostprophets still have their music on both sites so I think you’ll be waiting a while.

Really? Christ!

Still....I checked out some death metal a month or so ago and the lyrics were easily the worst I have ever seen. I presume they can claim they were only singing about far worse that the lostprophet b'stard did, making it art, whereas the lostprophet bloke's songs are anodyne as opposed to his lifestyle.

As far as that charge sheet (posted earlier) is concerned, up to and including Bowie (I remain unaware about what he's done) I expect that in 20, 20, 30 years they will all be reviled.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Oh, I didn't get it, if a SINGER gets up to this stuff it makes it OK then. You clearly should have been on his Defence Team...

Woah!

As posted elsewhere, there are plenty of artists whose music is not controversial but who were beasts in real life. And vice versa. You have conflated the two and made an assumption about the artist's ouvre which is apparently incorrect. Nobody is suggesting he's innocent.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

She was a recruiter. And an enemy to her own gender. She should be punished severely.

Yes. And her imprisonment is not part of a male conspiracy. FFS.

I admit it is a tad ironic, but there you have it. Nothing more.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Of course what you say is right.

The thing is - bearing in mind I'm mixed race myself - any issue which touches on race, if you criticise something attached to someone's race, you are going to be called racist.

It's the way of the world.

It's the difference between saying "gangsta rap glorifies gang culture amongst black youths" and "everyone who listens to gangsta rap is black and are criminals".

The former is objectively true, the latter demonises black people.

--

Side note, a big part of the problem is historically the same rationale was used by racists and xenophobes with the classic "I just want to have a discussion about immigration". The problem was I found when I actually engaged with these people, they ended up saying racist stuff and completely destroyed any valid discussion to be had about immigration policy.

Very smart post. I hope whatever nonsense passed between us recently has been forgotten. Lost in translation, perhaps.. If it hasn't let me know and I'll PM you. Bound to be my fault.

 

[GT49er]

Unfortunately sings some classic funeral tunes, Worlds Greatest, I believe I can fly and If could turn back the hands of time, now sadly lost from the Crem and Cemetery set list forever......

There is such a thing as a Crem and Cemetery list ..........?

 

[sydney]

She was a recruiter. And an enemy to her own gender. She should be punished severely.

i'm not disagreeing mate but also the recipients of the fruits of her nefarious labours should be brought to book.

 

[The Clamp]

There is such a thing as a Crem and Cemetery list ..........?

It's very popular. People are dying to get on it.

 

[Lenny Rider]

There is such a thing as a Crem and Cemetery list ..........?

Worthing Crem has over 40,000 songs on it’s playlist.

 

[dazzer6666]

Worthing Crem has over 40,000 songs on it’s playlist.

My dad went in to ‘Great Balls of Fire’.