Probably time to get a bit more angry at the huge cuts this government is making at a local level then, not the poor asylum seekers trying to make a better life for themselves and their families.
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Probably time to get a bit more angry at the huge cuts this government is making at a local level then, not the poor asylum seekers trying to make a better life for themselves and their families.
alfredmizen
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Yet another (poor) attempt at diversion .
yxee
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Someone travelling from France to the UK is NOT an asylum seeker. They found Asylum. In France. France is no less safe than England. They are now, by definition, economic migrants. By the way, they are trying to enter illegally.
Stop twisting these facts to support your own agenda on our domestic politics.
All economic migrants?
http://www.helprefugees.org.uk/news...eased-700-children-in-calais-78-on-their-own/
W.C.
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I'm right virtuous me. I almost spat out my champagne after reading 'Send em to the gas chambers' amongst other charming comments.
Captain Sensible
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By just being in France and not claiming asylum in the first port of call, the migrants are already in breach of asylum rules as they went to France illegally. In most cases the Migrants in Calais have waited to get to the jungle until registering to claim asylum with the UK. The reason we take in so few is that most of them have no right to claim asylum, are already in breach of the asylum rules, and have no papers or identity. Seeing pictures of migrants managing to claim asylum as children will most likely encourage more to go to northern France.
beorhthelm
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asylum seekers aren't trying to make a better life for themselves, they are fleeing war or persecution. cuts are not the problem, its lack of facilities that don't exist and wont exist even if you doubled spending. do you intend to house these refugees as regular population or separate? who is going to advocate and support segregation of schools, housing for immigrants, and where? when they don't have work, how do you occupy them mentally and physically or just let them become disgruntled? do you force them to stay in the provided facilities?
in short why recreate so many of the social problems we already have and have failed to address for 3-4 decades? best policy for asylum seekers from Syria is to provide facilities near Syria to better facilitate their repatriation one day. as for the rest of the refugees, well i honestly dont think there is a solution, having an open door is one of the least suitable. but lets start by recognising an awful lot of them are not seeking asylum, so we can have a proper debate and look at options accordingly. personally I'm happy to accept those that want to work, but that's causing a lot of friction with some parts of our society.
yxee
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Yes. All economic migrants. For the reason outlined in my post, which your brain selectively ignored.
If you're moving from a dangerous country to a non-dangerous country, it's refugee. If you then move between ten further safe countries, you're not a refugee anymore. You were safe from persecution ten countries back. The fact that you started your journey in a dangerous country doesn't give you the right to wander anywhere you please in the free world.
Neville's Breakfast
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The black economy is a huge draw and it is a distortion of our economy. It seems to me that it is the relatively well off who are the biggest beneficiaries of this sector and it is our public services that lose out both through non collection of tax and lack of funds provided. The scale of this was apparent during the furore over the additional payment demanded by the EU last year (or the previous, can't remember the exact time) when they estimated the size of the U.K. black economy and adjusted GDP up
accordingly. It is another example of well meaning or agenda driven (take your pick) people arguing for something that has unintended consequences. A lot of people don't seem to understand the enormous work undertaken by our public servants to create our society but are the first to loudly complain when they don't get the service they expect. Public services are not planned and managed by magic and the drawing in of more and more economic migrants and a ballooning of the black economy are undermining some very good work.
Tom Hark Preston Park
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- Jul 6, 2003
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Could be any number of reasons. Maybe they've got friends or relatives settled in the country they're aiming for, who have sent back good reports of their new and better life. Maybe they'll be more familiar with the language. Maybe they think they'll be treated more fairly there. For sure there's a large number of chancers in last season's Serie A tops in the mix who should be back home trying to protect their elders instead of leaving them to their fate, but in the case of the little kids, none of the above. There's also a huge number more refugees heading for Germany than there is for the UK. Our media and politicians just scare-monger out of all reasonable proportion to suit their own ends.
I think you are being far too generous on the public sector, those who work there are a burden on the private sector, and have gold plated pensions subsidised by the likes of Philip Green and Facebook's tax contributions. I'm just glad that Jeremy 'Jezza' Hunt is privatising some of these leeches.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3803204/Generous-public-sector-pours-SEVEN-times-pension-pots-private-firms.html
....and YOUR kids who can't get a place in the school U14s because year 9 is full of 23 year old Syrians!
alfredmizen
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Spot on.
alfredmizen
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Poor asylum seekers - Only if fleeing from persecution to the first safe haven
Trying to make a better life for themselves - Equals economic migrant
Your argument is full of contradictions sir?
Possibly.
I would question whether somebody who lands in Greece from Syria who has family in England who they may never get to see again would want to stop untiol they were reunited though.
I also think the situation with the children is much different to those of actual economic migrants, although the press told me they are all really 19 so **** em eh.
Tom Hark Preston Park
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Something tells me you'll be fully supportive of the Aussie government's yahoo stance on refugees when you move Down Under...
Neville's Breakfast
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Reading the Daily Mail makes you wonder why everyone isn't queuing up to work in service of the public doesn't it ........I find articles like that quite depressing reading. Anyway, for another thread I guess.
Captain Sensible
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Well this is the problem isn't it. The fact is there should be a new policy on people claiming asylum and governed by the UN. If those fleeing Syria and other war torn states want to claim asylum, they should do it in the first safe country. But that should not mean that, the safe country is the one that has to take them in if they are successful in claiming asylum. There should be a process that determines where best to house the seeker (in which country) based on a number of factors. Asylum should be refused in any other country other than the point of safe country entry. That would stop the migrants gathering or walking across borders to wherever they please and would ensure the migrants are correctly processed. This is the worlds problem and we should have a wide international approach to dealing with it. We need to rip up the asylum handbook and start again.