Question Time

[Blue Valkyrie]

Somehow I'm not convinced that nuclear weapons were designed to be dropped on neighbouring countries.

There are different sorts.

Tactical and strategic.

No one is suggesting that a few little green men appearing in Crimea would have resulted in a strategic strike on Moscow, but a few tactical nukes could have stopped Vlad's armour crossing into the east of Ukraine.

 

[BadFish]

We would have the protection of a weakened NATO.

Rather than bearing the brunt of the costs of the program that protects many other countries for free it would be better to have a full NATO program that is funded equally by those it protects?

 

[Javeaseagull]

Yep. Look at Germany, Spain, Italy, Holland, Belgium, Canada...etc. All under Russian occupation. All lacking in any support or protection from anyone else.

Nine countries have nuclear weapons. Nine. Let's make it eight.

I thought we all knew that the reason we have a nuclear deterrent is because if we didn't France would be the only nuclear power in Europe. Obviously we can't let that happen so we must have Trident from the USA. It keeps our seat at the top table. We can carry on deluding ourselves that we matter in the wider scheme of things. We know better than to go against the USA and want to be their best friend. I am old enough to remember Suez. With friends like that you do not need enemies.
The yanks would drop us like a hot brick if it suited them and let's not pretend otherwise. They will be very upset if we don't buy Trident from them, which we can only launch with their permission. Whether Corbyn would press the button is irrelevant. They have control of the system we pay so much for. It's all a nonsense. Our one submarine with nuclear warheads is neither here nor there for keeping the peace, such as it is. The forces would prefer to have better equipment to fight the real threat which is terrorism.

 

[Pavilionaire]

If we gave up nuclear weapons we'd be reliant on other countries for our protection, and therefore completely at their beck and call.

We've worked hard as a nation to get into the global position of significance we now occupy. Breaking up the Union and relinquishing our nuclear weapons would throw all that away.

 

[catfish]

Job for the sons, next we'll have Blair son on.

Lionel?

 

[GT49er]

The alternative is for the Labour Party to force a policy on their leader he doesn't want.

Yes. Highly likely to happen. In a two party system, does anybody actually agree with EVERY single one of their party's policies? I doubt it........

 

[AlbionPics&SouthCoastTwit]

Who the HELL booked Charlotte Church? Talking total beans.

Is that like whole pinto beans?

 

[desprateseagull]

Haven't we got ENOUGH weapons, already?

 

[AlbionPics&SouthCoastTwit]

Cuba & the USA were neighbours.

Miami and Havana have not changed locations. Still are neighbours. 90 miles apart.

 

[Pavilionaire]

Yes. Highly likely to happen. In a two party system, does anybody actually agree with EVERY single one of their party's policies? I doubt it........

Well pretty much all of the Shadow Cabinet were united in their disagreement with Corbyn.

 

[AlbionPics&SouthCoastTwit]

I thought we all knew that the reason we have a nuclear deterrent is because if we didn't France would be the only nuclear power in Europe. Obviously we can't let that happen so we must have Trident from the USA. It keeps our seat at the top table. We can carry on deluding ourselves that we matter in the wider scheme of things. We know better than to go against the USA and want to be their best friend. I am old enough to remember Suez. With friends like that you do not need enemies.
The yanks would drop us like a hot brick if it suited them and let's not pretend otherwise. They will be very upset if we don't buy Trident from them, which we can only launch with their permission. Whether Corbyn would press the button is irrelevant. They have control of the system we pay so much for. It's all a nonsense. Our one submarine with nuclear warheads is neither here nor there for keeping the peace, such as it is. The forces would prefer to have better equipment to fight the real threat which is terrorism.

There are plenty of Americans that would never give up the UK as an ally. Those are the ones without the guns and who don't want guns in the hands of teachers in schools.

 

[shingle]

Charlotte Church factoring in climate change to the Syria crisis. Unbelievable, Cringeworthy and totally insensitive. Who ever booked the bint should be sacked.

 

[ditchy]

NATO came into being pretty much at the same time as the United Nations. The continued existence of the former continues to undermine the efficacy of the latter. The ineffectiveness of the latter continues to sew the malaise that spreads throughout the globe.
And that "questioner" who no doubt went to school with Cameron and Charles Moore is ever so keen to continue this malaise.

I thought that the UN was born out of the League of Nations formed after WW 1
NATO was formed after WW2 to counter an increased soviet existence in the west

 

[beorhthelm]

NATO came into being pretty much at the same time as the United Nations. The continued existence of the former continues to undermine the efficacy of the latter. The ineffectiveness of the latter continues to sew the malaise that spreads throughout the globe.
And that "questioner" who no doubt went to school with Cameron and Charles Moore is ever so keen to continue this malaise.

i rather think incompetance and rule by committee, with too many conflicting interests, undermines the effect of the UN. NATO was always strong as it was simple in aims.

 

[wellquickwoody]

Rather than bearing the brunt of the costs of the program that protects many other countries for free it would be better to have a full NATO program that is funded equally by those it protects?

Fair call, but until that actually is discussed and agreed upon, I would like to keep our own big stick.

 

[Igzilla]

Charlotte Church factoring in climate change to the Syria crisis. Unbelievable, Cringeworthy and totally insensitive. Who ever booked the bint should be sacked.

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00263206.2013.850076?journalCode=fmes20

 

[The Birdman]

Charlotte Church matching her image of a dumb blonde perfectly.

'The issue of Trident renewal is a completely different issue than that of JC's refusal to push the button', not verbatim but the essence of. Just a celebrity idiot trying to reinvent herself.

Why does anyone think Isis will sit around a table and discuss peace when they are raping killing training Kids to kill and pushing gay pepole of buildings and want to destroy the west. They are evil. Charlotte Church should stick to shagging Welsh rugby players then we might win on Saturday. I should not joke about this subject but It is the only way I can stay sane in this mad world.

 

[Milton Keynes Seagull]

Who the HELL booked Charlotte Church? Talking total beans.

The BBC merely continuing its policy of employing "alternative" celebs on political chat shows who some leftist leftovers from the sixties high up in the Corporation think will make it "relevant" to the "yoof" and minorities.

 

[bhadebenhams]

Getting a bit nasty on here tonight.

Ten years ago the official mod threshold for an insult that instigated a ban was 'twerp'. Since then Bozza and the band of limp wristed tofu eating terrorist apologists who call themselves mods have let this board go to the dogs.

Bring back THE BIRCH (and Dean Wilkins).

 

[The Merry Prankster]

We've worked hard as a nation to get into the global position of significance we now occupy. Breaking up the Union and relinquishing our nuclear weapons would throw all that away.

Europe think we're an annoyance, the Americans see us as useful idiots and the rest of the world either couldn't care less or hates us for the Empire. Our significance is largely in our own minds.